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Official Rookie Griefing rules have been changed

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#41 - 2015-08-09 05:56:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
ISD Supogo wrote:
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Praise Phil that somebody is protecting our eve religions. BTW do you have a minute to discuss our lord and saviour Phil?

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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#42 - 2015-08-09 06:41:44 UTC
Clarity is good. I hate ambiguityBlink

Seems about right. 30d is about what it takes to train and use a properly fitted combat frigate.
Less paperwork for the GMs is good too, there's more important stuff to do than babysitting.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#43 - 2015-08-09 10:13:20 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Clarity is good. I hate ambiguityBlink

Seems about right. 30d is about what it takes to train and use a properly fitted combat frigate.
Less paperwork for the GMs is good too, there's more important stuff to do than babysitting.

you must be one of those elite pvpers? you can train and skill into a pvp frig in hours. You can have 'good' skills for a pvp frigate in a week...

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#44 - 2015-08-09 10:14:14 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


But not content by any means. No one as selfish as you or the other carebears actually provides content to anyone else. You're not even real players, you're just... there, like scenery or furniture.

Personally, I've always liked games with destructible terrain.


And people still arguing with my point after hundreds of posts like this one.
THAT is insane.

i know the feeling,
i personally have been trying to fell an oak tree with my face for some months now,
im staring to feel like i may have been doing it wrong thus far.

Mobadder ahs been doing it for years now. I'd stop before your face looks like his

Love you Mo Blink

CoolCool

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#45 - 2015-08-10 04:35:21 UTC
TBH this actually looks better than the old system.

I know I accidentally broke the previous rules a couple of times - when I used to run contract scams in Apanake I'd sometimes fly to and from Dodixie posting the scam in local, and Arnon is a busy system that's basically on the way. Didn't realise it was an issue until someone called me out in local over it being a rookie system.

This makes it *clear* that suicide ganking players in Exhumers and Orcas in these systems is now OK (you can't even sit in an exhumer as a rookie under this definition).

One problem will occur with mission invasion in the rest of the arc. Sheroo is a popular L4 system AND the place you fight Dagan - if you probe someone down in Sheroo with the intention of baiting or ganking them, it's easy to not know that they are an illegal target.

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Avvy
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-08-10 08:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:


One problem will occur with mission invasion in the rest of the arc. Sheroo is a popular L4 system AND the place you fight Dagan - if you probe someone down in Sheroo with the intention of baiting or ganking them, it's easy to not know that they are an illegal target.



All I know about that arc is Dagan, you travel around a lot, you get isk as a reward and you gain rep.

Although it shouldn't affect me as I don't intend to stay in high-sec. I can see problems for those that do stay in high-sec if they've not done that arc or have done it awhile back.

Only real way to be sure is treat trial accounts as not being part of the game and just ignore their activities, which isn't good for them or the game.

In light of the new ruling maybe CCP should redesign that arc.


Edit:

It also makes me wonder about career agents, as one of those missions is a courier mission that requires around 7 jumps, what happens if someone destroys the ship and destroys or takes the item. Seems they will also be breaking the rules if the pilot is 30 days or less.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2015-08-10 11:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
One problem will occur with mission invasion in the rest of the arc. Sheroo is a popular L4 system AND the place you fight Dagan - if you probe someone down in Sheroo with the intention of baiting or ganking them, it's easy to not know that they are an illegal target.

Well, if you see someone in L4-capable ship, chances are that it isn't SoE arc pocket. In fact, if you are seeing such a ship, chances are the person isn't a rookie anyway.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#48 - 2015-08-10 18:25:38 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
One problem will occur with mission invasion in the rest of the arc. Sheroo is a popular L4 system AND the place you fight Dagan - if you probe someone down in Sheroo with the intention of baiting or ganking them, it's easy to not know that they are an illegal target.

Well, if you see someone in L4-capable ship, chances are that it isn't SoE arc pocket. In fact, if you are seeing such a ship, chances are the person isn't a rookie anyway.

And let's face it who wastes their time on destroyers anyways

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#49 - 2015-08-10 21:32:02 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
One problem will occur with mission invasion in the rest of the arc. Sheroo is a popular L4 system AND the place you fight Dagan - if you probe someone down in Sheroo with the intention of baiting or ganking them, it's easy to not know that they are an illegal target.

Well, if you see someone in L4-capable ship, chances are that it isn't SoE arc pocket. In fact, if you are seeing such a ship, chances are the person isn't a rookie anyway.


The Vexor is an L4 capable ship (particularly the Navy version but the tech 1 version can run all L4s except burners). Similarly the Gnosis.

I'm not sure if burner missions go to Sheroo but they are run in ships that a rookie might train into under this definition.

There's also some less known systems in the arc where the same thing may happen with a less popular mission agent.

In short there will be people that break the rules without intending to break them.

On the plus side, the sorts of ships rookies tend to fly are harder to probe down (usually) than L4 missioning ships, so I don't expect accidents to happen often.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-08-10 22:03:55 UTC
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
If you really read all the http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/ you will know you are making a lot of concept errors in those statements throughout this thread, that most of you are lucky most people who plays this game and have their gameplay disrupted also dont read those terms.

- You are not permitted to harass any player, no matter how old they are. The WARNING regarding one way of harassing is not a ruling that harassing is resumed to that, and the policies still say that harassment is prohibited and may lead to consequences regarding the infractors ability to enjoy the game, aka, ban.

There is however the CCP instrument of legal harassment, which is the Wardec. THEN you are free.


Go biomass yourself. Oh wait, you already did.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2015-08-10 22:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tengu Grib
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Stahp bullying me!
"low life" "griefer" "scum"
WORDS HURT!

Besides, according to CONCORD I'm a fine upstanding citizen with my shiny 5.0 security status.
Obviously they, and CCP approve of what I do.
Be happy with what you've got in high sec. It's more than what was, and arguably more than most deserve.
Throwing money and subscription stuff out to back up your point doesn't make it less wrong.
In fact it's tired and reeks of a false 'save the children' mentality.
CCP has made a LOT of compromises over the years to make things 'safer' in high security space.
More than they should have, but it's hard to backpedal from where they're at now.

"Be The Villain", "HTFU", "Killing is Just a Means (of communication)" Their words.
The real problem is that so many gamers are used to empty posturing, moustache twirling and various lame crap that they are COMPLETELY unprepared to deal with a REAL villain.

Sorry kiddo, but the baddies here don't tie the damsel to the train tracks, only to have Dudley DoRight show up and save her.
They're lurking on the other side of the gate with baseball bats.
They're cloaked 2500m away from your mining barge or mission ship, just getting ready to warp out once they know the kill squad is incoming.
They're more than willing to double or triple your ISK, honest. They even have API linked wallets and stuff.

Nasty, eh? It was worse. It's safer now than it ever was before.
Adapt to the reality of this unreal world instead of trying to force it to conform to your notions of what should be.


They're in your corp, watching your chats, chatting in your TS, reading your mails, monitoring your assets, your online times, your corporate wallets, watching and waiting for the opportune moment to strike.

They're the neutral cov ops floating near the gate, watching your fleet comp.

Those are the real villains, the guy who ganks you is just a dude shooting folks, the war target is just a duded shooting folks. Neither likely has any vested interest in your destruction beyond content for himself.

The true villains want to watch everything you've created in game burn to the ground around you.

And that's what makes Eve so unique, and so worth playing. (cause let's be honest, Eve would be the worst single player game ever made)

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2015-08-10 22:29:29 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:


One problem will occur with mission invasion in the rest of the arc. Sheroo is a popular L4 system AND the place you fight Dagan - if you probe someone down in Sheroo with the intention of baiting or ganking them, it's easy to not know that they are an illegal target.



All I know about that arc is Dagan, you travel around a lot, you get isk as a reward and you gain rep.

Although it shouldn't affect me as I don't intend to stay in high-sec. I can see problems for those that do stay in high-sec if they've not done that arc or have done it awhile back.

Only real way to be sure is treat trial accounts as not being part of the game and just ignore their activities, which isn't good for them or the game.

In light of the new ruling maybe CCP should redesign that arc.


Edit:

It also makes me wonder about career agents, as one of those missions is a courier mission that requires around 7 jumps, what happens if someone destroys the ship and destroys or takes the item. Seems they will also be breaking the rules if the pilot is 30 days or less.


And sometimes they'd be killing a new hauling alt of a veteran player.

Part of the SOE arc is taking players into all 4 empires, it would be difficult to redesign without loosing that. (depends how important you consider that aspect)

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-08-10 22:45:13 UTC
I have never tried to manufacture, mine, or research.

I thereby consider myself a rookie, and nobody may attack me, as I may be attempting something I haven't tried before.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-08-10 22:50:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
and you make ... whatever that is you make.

It's called content


As people are saying in the other topic, everything in EVE is pvp, so I am all pvp as much as the next pilot.


But not content by any means. No one as selfish as you or the other carebears actually provides content to anyone else. You're not even real players, you're just... there, like scenery or furniture.

Personally, I've always liked games with destructible terrain.


Epic post is Epic.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#55 - 2015-08-11 00:20:59 UTC
Wait! Space Lawyer/Psychoanalyst biomassed? Where is the stuff?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#56 - 2015-08-11 00:54:18 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Wait! Space Lawyer/Psychoanalyst biomassed? Where is the stuff?
I have no doubt that'll it'll be back next week with another alt spewing the same crap.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#57 - 2015-08-11 01:00:35 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Wait! Space Lawyer/Psychoanalyst biomassed? Where is the stuff?
I have no doubt that'll it'll be back next week with another alt spewing the same crap.

And this is why alts get trolled

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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#58 - 2015-08-11 01:04:21 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Wait! Space Lawyer/Psychoanalyst biomassed? Where is the stuff?
I have no doubt that'll it'll be back next week with another alt spewing the same crap.

Indeed, Oblivious to the fact that the content they have created for themselves (these topics ~ biomass) or brought unto them by others (mine my rocks will ya ~ the entitled) has succeeded in the task they set out to achieve when they fired up the game. Somethin to pass the time, and maybe generate new thoughts,concepts or fun times even. Now if only it wouldn't cause them such stress, in an activity in which one usually par-takes to defrag internal hard drives. Maybe its just my feelings showing, Since ive lost a loved one in rl recently. I kinda feel like for once i should reach out and help a miner. Im just on the fence i guess...

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-08-11 01:08:19 UTC
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
If you really read all the http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/ you will know you are making a lot of concept errors in those statements throughout this thread, that most of you are lucky most people who plays this game and have their gameplay disrupted also dont read those terms.

- You are not permitted to harass any player, no matter how old they are. The WARNING regarding one way of harassing is not a ruling that harassing is resumed to that, and the policies still say that harassment is prohibited and may lead to consequences regarding the infractors ability to enjoy the game, aka, ban.

There is however the CCP instrument of legal harassment, which is the Wardec. THEN you are free.

Paula Enkhashour
World Traders Guild

Traders Guild

Guild



gb2wow n00b

Paula Enkhashour
Doomheim



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Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#60 - 2015-08-11 13:07:28 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Frankly, I see this as a win for the PVP community, as we now have a finite definition of what a rookie is. Prior to this ruling, what constituted a rookie was solely at the discretion of the GM overlooking a petition. With this in place, players are now free to hunt down and engage non-rookie players (31+ days old) without fear of recrimination.


I think it's a win full stop - the previous rule was hopelessly vague, implying even that one might be immune on reruns of the Sisters' arc, or whatever. This seems much more clear and sensible.