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Null Sec ratting

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Yazuki Kokubunji
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#1 - 2015-08-08 20:45:32 UTC
So a question....

I am now in null and I am having trouble breaking the tank on the battle ship rats

I moved to null from low sec, I used a Fleet Cane and had no issue dealing with the BS rats while in low sec
However now I am in null and it takes forever to down a battle ship rat. I can do it, but it takes forever

I can not yet fly a nidhoggur, so what would be the next best thing? I was thinking a typhoon seeing as the area is a ghost town and I hardly see neuts. I have seen only 2 the entire week I have been down here

Before you say get a get an ishtar or navy vexor, I can not fly Gallie and do not wish to train up for them.

So what would be a solid Minmatar ship for larger null rats IE the battleships

Ty ^_^
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2015-08-08 20:48:01 UTC
like belt ratting or anoms?
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2015-08-08 20:55:59 UTC
Fleet Cane should be fine. Let's see your fit, are you using the ammo appropriate to the rat?

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Yazuki Kokubunji
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#4 - 2015-08-08 20:58:53 UTC
I go with resist a rep and yes Kinetic and thermal for the rats here... I do not yet have T2 med artie however, bout a week away... i am guessing that is the real issue if a fleet cane should be fine
Yazuki Kokubunji
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#5 - 2015-08-08 21:07:46 UTC
Yazuki Kokubunji wrote:
I go with resist a rep and yes Kinetic and thermal for the rats here... I do not yet have T2 med artie however, bout a week away... i am guessing that is the real issue if a fleet cane should be fine


High slots Med Artie T1 for now 650 souts (untill I get T2 artie in a week)
Med slots Ab, Target painter, web and tracking mech+ script
lows T2 resist, dmg cont and a rep (all t2)
Rigs T2 armor tank
Drones are warrior II
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2015-08-08 21:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
So you have no damage mods?

Also you didn't answer Rowells' question.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#7 - 2015-08-08 21:19:30 UTC
Based on what you are using, and if you are doing belt rats, this is what I suggest to newish bros

[Hurricane Fleet Issue, Armor Starter]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Micro Jump Drive
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Republic Fleet Fusion M x5000
Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x5000


The micro jump drive lets you jump away form truble, the after burner lets you control range, you don't want to let npcs get close because you don't have much tank. The missiles and drones (warriors for angels) tkes care of small npcs. The above fit is for angel rats, it's easy to refit for any kind of rat.

For anoms, you want battleships or tech3 cruisers, though attack BCs like the Tornado can do them from range as well. This is the proper forum to learn about PVE https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=248
Panthe3 Black
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-08-08 21:40:51 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Based on what you are using, and if you are doing belt rats, this is what I suggest to newish bros

[Hurricane Fleet Issue, Armor Starter]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Micro Jump Drive
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Republic Fleet Fusion M x5000
Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x5000


The micro jump drive lets you jump away form truble, the after burner lets you control range, you don't want to let npcs get close because you don't have much tank. The missiles and drones (warriors for angels) tkes care of small npcs. The above fit is for angel rats, it's easy to refit for any kind of rat.

For anoms, you want battleships or tech3 cruisers, though attack BCs like the Tornado can do them from range as well. This is the proper forum to learn about PVE https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=248



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Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-08-08 22:34:56 UTC
We fight TEST a lot and they are good people. So check them out and check us out we are right next door.

As for the op I have the same issue with anoms I can do belt rats no problem. I haven't be able to find a ship I can afford to lose that can handle anoms. I did just train into an Ishtar but don't have a fit not is it something I can lose on a regular bases.
So I will try that fit above. Any other tips would be helpful.

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ISD Lyrin Rands
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#10 - 2015-08-09 00:36:47 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
We fight TEST a lot and they are good people. So check them out and check us out we are right next door.

As for the op I have the same issue with anoms I can do belt rats no problem. I haven't be able to find a ship I can afford to lose that can handle anoms. I did just train into an Ishtar but don't have a fit not is it something I can lose on a regular bases.
So I will try that fit above. Any other tips would be helpful.


What about a Vexor Navy Issue? It's about half the price of the Ishtar and is still a pretty good drone boat but it is flown differently.

ISD Lyrin Rands

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

WASPY69
Xerum.
#11 - 2015-08-09 11:06:37 UTC
Panthe3 Black wrote:
join us we will show you how to do it right


Is in TEST

I just choked on my drink laughing, thanks a lot.

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ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#12 - 2015-08-10 11:18:31 UTC
So, this belongs in S&M...
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
#13 - 2015-08-10 15:15:53 UTC
Are you matching resists and damage type to the region you're ratting in? For example, if you're using EMP in Guristas space, you'll struggle.
Cormack Vajaa
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-08-10 15:33:29 UTC
O dear, i was planning on moving my mining alts to null soon. They have T2 drones and tank shield skills this doesn't bode well i assumed id be able to tank and kill null rats in procurers / skiffs.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-08-10 15:51:07 UTC
Cormack Vajaa wrote:
O dear, i was planning on moving my mining alts to null soon. They have T2 drones and tank shield skills this doesn't bode well i assumed id be able to tank and kill null rats in procurers / skiffs.


You can if you use the right drones. BS takes some time with no damage mods but a skiff can use mediums so it should speed it up.
Rayne Soomer Evingod
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-08-10 20:53:48 UTC
Cormack Vajaa wrote:
O dear, i was planning on moving my mining alts to null soon. They have T2 drones and tank shield skills this doesn't bode well i assumed id be able to tank and kill null rats in procurers / skiffs.



Valkyrie II in a skiff....no problem with belt rats.
ISD Lyrin Rands
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2015-08-10 21:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Lyrin Rands
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Cormack Vajaa wrote:
O dear, i was planning on moving my mining alts to null soon. They have T2 drones and tank shield skills this doesn't bode well i assumed id be able to tank and kill null rats in procurers / skiffs.


You can if you use the right drones. BS takes some time with no damage mods but a skiff can use mediums so it should speed it up.


I think it really depends. The problem isn't really speeding it up it's the fact that it might be hard for an exhumer to have enough DPS to break the tank of the battleships that have reppers on them, especially with no trait bonuses on the exhumer and no damage mods.

I don't do much mining or belt ratting for that matter so I'm not sure how much DPS would actually be needed to break the tank of these rats but with 5 medium drones out an exhumer will only have about 200 DPS or so (with max skills) and this seems relatively low for killing a BS.

**I may be off base here though I'm not sure how much less tank the belt rats have compared to rats in combat sites.

Edit: I just noticed you said the word "characters", what I said above is based on if you were alone. With multiple Skiffs with medium drones out there shouldn't be a problem at all.

ISD Lyrin Rands

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

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