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Repost because ISD don't actually understand how the game works.

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Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#1 - 2015-08-10 17:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Otsdarva IV
Hello.

This is going to be a serious post. I don't really like serious posts, but our friends in Ushra'Khan are going through some very rough times at the moment and need a bit of a 'grounding' post to keep them going. I am trying to help them out, my words may seem critical at times but please think before you post.

Recently, this came through my (or my alts' Big smile) evemails: http://pastebin.com/YK09AX9n (

EVEMAIL NOT CHATLOG PLEASE LEARN HOW THE GAME WORKS ISD YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING THE GAME WORSE LOL. Also, I don't think ISD members should be ****-talking people in game, but I'm sure you'll lie your way out of that too huh, ISD Bullshitabah)

As you can see, Mizh is asking a lot of questions and making a lot of accusations. I hope to explain them all in this post.

Keep in mind that while this is an Ushra'Khan alliance mail, a lot of the following statements can be applied to 90% of the minmatar militia. (No, not you Goats ur CHILL AS best bad guys).

So let's begin!

So, this is a bit of an angry mail to the entire alliance, because I am starting to get a bit angry about this.

Already off to a great start. 'I'm getting mad because there's nothing I can dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo to stop sucking!... in this videogame'.

Letting the whole world know that you're really mad at your 500 man alliance for any reason is bad. It's an issue of restraint, and as a result reflects on the way you play the game. When it comes to the minmatar militia, it's not an individual pilots' problem. Most of them have no problem keeping their head down when they do something dumb, but let's look at a couple of the ones who don't.

Aghy - Docklite Brigade
Kalo ASSISKOLD - Something dumb
Angus Ritchie - Scrapheap 'lost his Mojo' (No longer in the militia, but for the last year had some kind of more active presence in it)


These are the big 3, I don't want this to go on for too long so I'll leave it at them.

Aghy

This one is quick, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5665877

'When you can't beat them in spaceships you should blame everyone but yourself'

- Erwin Rommel

There's really not much to say about hypocrites either, but if you're going to ***** about being headshot and then proceed to attempt the same thing for every fight from then on, keep your voice down.

Kalo ASSISKOLD

Kalo likes to form blobs of kitchen sink frigates and destroyers and run from anything looking like a doctrine even when it has half their numbers. Retributions are pre easy to kill m8

This risk aversion (Yes, that term) is an extremely cancerous mentality to have when you're trying to 'rally the troops'. #nomedal is just a hashtag, it's a long term operation that was developed well before the minmatar started an 'organized' push for the warzone. I'm going to leak a conversation I had with one of our allies back in March:

(ISD members should put the chatlogs back in here, because they're not from in game chat channels. They're from slack. It's clear that you're probably a Minmatar militia alt doing this to make yourselves look less ****. Abuse of powers by a trash player: ISD Bullabath or whatever.)

Looks like this is wearing out already, and you guys still have 10 systems to go!

As you can see, we clearly weren't having fun with not only a lack of cohesion from our opponents in the minmatar militia, but also their fighting attitude. While this can be used offensively (grr goons) it also has consequences. Look at the FCs in the minmatar militia now, they're all old guard. There's no new blood who are willing to step up, it's a cultural problem.

Let's contrast this attitude with DnG and MCF1B. We're both quite similar, in that we both take fights we're sure we'll enjoy whether we win or lose. DnG can muster numbers in a fleet that displays cohesion and ability, and we're happy to fight outnumbered. MCF1B are the same, the difference is that when they do fight outnumbered they tend to win P

I could dwell on this point for a long time, but I think you all get the picture.

Angus Ritchie

The slaves never do anything I actually cringe at in real life when it comes to local trashtalk. They like to keep it civil and related to in game experiences and events. I appreciate it, especially after spending the past year sharing local with Angus.

Angus has been chased out of the militia by people who aren't clearly insane, so this part is kind of a positive view on them.
I'll leave a picture to describe angus and leave it at that.

Angus http://36.media.tumblr.com/ea999311e1072fc768f3566059052855/tumblr_nlthblP4321tair2oo1_1280.png

ISD snipped a picture saying it was chatlogs. You're actually really bad at your job lol.

I don't need to explain what kind of effect keeping someone like this around has on your militia so I'll just move on.

Almost at the end of my character limit and I've looked at one question. Great.

Ushra'Khan has a history. Ushra'Khan has an identity that it has upheld for over a decade now... in name only.

So that doesn't make sense, but regardless what he's TRYING to say is more or less correct. Mizh is trying to say that the identity U'K has made for itself is not the one he wants it to have. Having 40 active members of a 400 man alliance isn't exactly the best identity though is it?

That doesn't mean it needs to be said, the stick approach doesn't really work when you're playing a video game.

tbc

Edit: ISD locked my thread so I couldn't respond to them treating players like ****, they're likely an alt of someone i'm talking about and you actually make the game ****. This sort of thing is why eve is fun, nice to see you stiflling it with your PC **** lmao.
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#2 - 2015-08-10 17:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Otsdarva IV
Make your guys feel like **** in a videogame where you need your guys logging in ready to fight is rarely a good idea. lol

Several times now there has been huge opportunities for Ushra'Khan to form up and take on PIE and other Empire entities directly in battles that would matter. Where there are Minmatar Slaves counting in the tens of thousands at stake. There has been towers full of them, points of contention where we could enforce our will.

They've been publicly announced and every time we have known exactly when the towers come out of reinforced and when PIE, Pyre or CVA would show up to grab them.

Every. Single. Time. We have done nothing.

I'm going to ignore the fact that you didn't specifically name CTRLV, -HB-, NEOS or any of the other decent alliances in the amarr militia.

You know why you've done nothing? I'm going to take this mail out of order for a second and explain it

Where's the pride? Where's the Minmatar Loyalty? Where's the willingness to take on a direct fight with PIE or CVA when the opportunity comes along, with no distractions?

You say it's nowhere, but he's why: Are you kidding ISD? this wasn't a chatlog. Not at all. Like 100% not a chatlog, nice to see you being a trash player again. I'm gonna post it again, it's not against the rules because it isn't a chatlog. Terrible members of the community

http://pastebin.com/8d8YqShh

These fittings were all taken from your corporate fittings. Some highlights are the scram cruise typhoon, the dual prop EVERY ******* THING, the double and triple fitting mods, the random rigs you put in that ruin your resist profiles, the lack of webs etc

10 years you say? This looks like something a month old character would make up. Not to mention half your guys can't even fly half of those fits, and you haven't learnt how caps work on even your 5 year old pilots.

This is a structural problem. It's a problem with the foundations of your alliances, when you build an alliance based with pretty much everything important element messed up you're going to have a messed up alliance.

'Is it an alliance rule to make sure every single one of your fits is complete trash in U'K?'

- Shiva Makoto

You have older members who should be teaching new guys how to fit, but it's pretty clear that none of you yourselves know how.


No we don't. We haven't done that for ******* years. We are a god damn non-entity in the roleplaying community and PIE and CVA laughs at the name.

Because we get the opportunities and we never ******* take them.



******* ******* ******* AANGRRRRRYYYYYYYY

Nowhere. Not one person could stand up while I was out trying to keep two dying people alive as a paramedic, to take a fleet out to Oyeman and stand up to PIE.

See this is a problem too. Don't bring your RL stuff into eve with the intention of making people feel bad. Really really really horrible thing to do imo. And again, your guys might fleet up once or twice again to get dumpstered, but then they'll log out forever.

I literally can't keep this alliance relevant alone. DeT can't keep Ushra'Khan going alone. Hauke can't run all the logistics, or provide all the doctrine ships alone. Jebi can't run every fleet alone.

What the hell are you going to do to keep Ushra'Khan from being Ushra'Can't?

See Aghy's 'It's everyone elses fault but mine' post.

Your alliance isn't relevant, your content creators need to make it relevant. If you have none left, you guys should be making it your top priority to lead fleets that achieve something. Offer incentives for line members to step up, train new FCs and stop being a bunch of trashies.



Anyway,

Good luck Ushra'Khan


Love from Ots

PS: THIS also isn't a chatlog. You're 100% an Ushrakhan alt
http://41.media.tumblr.com/d8a3d998cf4c8afc3f769bc99efc04a6/tumblr_nspyl0qClV1tair2oo1_1280.png.

I'd love to see you kicked out for abusing your powers, but I bet you're gonna lock this thread as well like the trashy you are.


Edit: Can I also mention they locked it because they think it is a 'ranting' thread? It's clearly a critical analysis of the minmatar militia, but apparently because it's a long post it also counts as a rant. Right.

Unlock my W/T thread and undo the edits you made, obviously you're mad I made a post that you can't dispute on your main lmao
Shiva Makoto
Blue Canary
Watch This
#3 - 2015-08-10 17:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiva Makoto
Why the **** are we forced into this **** section of the forums?

This is an important educational piece for minmil and i hope this time it wont be locked for no reason.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#4 - 2015-08-10 17:40:31 UTC
tl;dr: folks are doing a bad job at leading, you dislike ISD's treatment of you, and you apparently think this justifies that wall of angry text.

If you want to earn sympathy, try being sympathetic. You just come off as angry.

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Nikolai Agnon
Khanid Propulsion Systems
Local Is Primary
#5 - 2015-08-10 17:44:00 UTC
The original thread was actually constructive in its criticism of the leaders in the Minmatar Militia. It was neither a rant nor did it contain chat logs, per a strict interpretation. Perhaps the names could be filtered out of the pastebin, but both the photoshop and the pastes from slack should be fair play.

It actually was a constructive thread. Buried under the surface vitriol was a bunch of advice on how to run a corp in the FW warzone.

Nikolai Agnon for CSM XI!

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Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#6 - 2015-08-10 17:44:32 UTC
Lol of course I'm angry. Theyre not following their own rules and they ruined a perfectly rule abiding post.

I shouldn't have to make any anti-ISD comments because they should be doing their very easy job properly.

Hard to be not **** for some people I know :^)
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#7 - 2015-08-10 17:49:08 UTC
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