Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Too artificial, if you're going to do that you may as well just have arenas.

La Rynx, no.
This would change EVE fundimentally in a bad way. From previous encounters with you I don't think you are capable of seeing it, however, so I will leave it at this.

Hardly trolling, the entire concept is what I'm referring to and I'm unwilling to discuss it as outside of the at this is anathema to the eve I have grown to love.
So again -1.

Where's Harry Forever when you need him?

Thats more a less the status quo.

No.

*this* was not.

But since i mentioned "matchmaking" some ppl made it very clear, that they do hate the idea of matchmaking.
With that kind of customers, CCPs job to find good solutions is really really hard.

No, the status quo is too many players not undocking because they are afraid of loss, have been told they don't have enough SP or ISK some similar nonsense, or have no reason to leave highsec as everything has been given to them there on a silver platter.

Mr. Lakota is pointing out that getting new players used to ship loss is the best way to start them on the road to become competent and active PvPers. The NPE should toss them into lowsec and get them destroyed a bunch of times by other players to nip that risk-aversion in the bud. Also show them the PvE options that exists outside of highsec to tempt them to go back.

Also, highsec should be more dangerous so that they actually lose a ship or two while new on occasion via a wardec or a gank or even a Drifter Doomsday. Let them die, hopefully to each other, but also sometimes to unbeatable opponents, but cushion those early losses so they don't hurt as much. They need to understand Eve is about loss and their ships are expendable - it fuels the economy and provides meaning for all those industrialists.

Pre-arrange "gudfights" is not the answer primarily because it is not Eve. FW is as close as we have to pre-arranged fights and we already have it, so they can go there if they want to fly specific ship classes. But otherwise, Eve is an open-world PvP game and new players should learn that right from the beginning. What you are flying, and who you fly with are much more important than individual player skill so the NPE should focus on getting players willing to undock, and the social contacts to find fleetmates to undock with who can also help guide them through those early days.

/thread this also applies to the "more exciting pve" and "lvl 5 missions in highsec" threads

Really?
I see a lot of moaning an groaning, ideas, conherent or not, are missing.
But some posters try really hard to offend via ad hominem arguments.
Seems my name alone attracts a lot of blowflies.

Obviously NOBODY has an idea how to enhance EvE and keepings its core, but lots of ppl come in to whine.

One thing that makes shooters like Battlefield interesting, are different envirnonments. Could be something like that in EvE?
Valuable stuff in an environment that is dangerous. Stuff that disables d-scan?
Enviroment that allows only certain shiptypes like battleships to operate?



I understood that and i agree.
The core of EvE is PvP. And i mean all out PvP, not some matchmaking stuff.
Thats what i meant with "honest" trailers, wich ppl shows without a doubt what EvE is about.
I do not ilke that "this is EvE" trailer, since it is an outright lie.
"standard" EvE is not played that way.

Ad hominem? lol not really.

What are you talking about when you say nobody has any ideas how to enhance eve whilst keeping it at its core? F&I...But at least now i see what your trying to acheive with this thread.

And if you want different environments try getting out of hi-sec. Low sec does not play like null-sec which does not play like WH's. And what do you know, they have more valuable stuffs in them. And for areas that allow only certain ships in you have FW plexes, DED sites, burner missions etc etc.

'This is EVE' is about as honest as a trailer can get. Real people doing things that actually happened in EVE. Mostly centred around group activities and 'all out PvP', the way EVE was intended to be played. What would you consider an 'honest trailer'?

If the trailer does differ from your EVE then that shows two things; first, there are many ways to play eve. Two, how you play eve depends on the individual. If you watch the 'This is EVE' trailer, sign up to the game and then decide you dont want to talk to anyone or make friends, whos fault is that? I, and players you've seen in the trailer, all started out the same as you and started out the same way as a new player today. Its up to you to get yourself out there and make your own story.

CCP have advertised the game as a full-time PvP sandbox. They've advertised it such that players can 'Be the villain'. They advertised it explaining that there is no story to follow save for the one you make yourself. They are open about how players are allowed to exploit one another provided they use in-game mechanics. It is widely known for its complexity and its learning 'cliff'.

Honesty is not the problem here. If anything is responsible for the misunderstanding of this game, its players who dont read before they sign up, players who cannot operate without being fed goals and/or dont play well with others. Ironically, this just happens to be the majority of MMO players and no amount of gimmicky mechanics or 'honest' trailers is going to fix that.

/rant

The ways forward:
- Lower barriers for PvP in hi-sec (i.e. war decs, ganking, AWOXing)
- Realise that many corps are misleading new players. Make social corps a thing and emphasize PvP orientation of Asset based corps.
- remove/replace local.
- enable group play with features in the corp and fleet UI (journal, map shows buddies, bookmarks, corp fitting tools, multi-fitting etc)
- Rebuild NPC's in missions and anoms from ground up using procedural generation and swapping out NPC 'flavour' for ships that look and behave similar to capsuleer ships.
- Create a sov system that allows aggressors of all size and skill to easily instigate a meaningful fight. \o/

and other stuffs...