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Ushra Khan't - A critical analysis

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Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#1 - 2015-08-09 03:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
Hello.

This is going to be a serious post. I don't really like serious posts, but our friends in Ushra'Khan are going through some very rough times at the moment and need a bit of a 'grounding' post to keep them going. I am trying to help them out, my words may seem critical at times but please think before you post.

Recently, this came through my (or my alts' Big smile) evemails:*snip* Chat log Scrubbed*snip* ~Buldath
As you can see, Mizh is asking a lot of questions and making a lot of accusations. I hope to explain them all in this post.

Keep in mind that while this is an Ushra'Khan alliance mail, a lot of the following statements can be applied to 90% of the minmatar militia. (No, not you Goats ur CHILL AS best bad guys).

So let's begin!

So, this is a bit of an angry mail to the entire alliance, because I am starting to get a bit angry about this.

Already off to a great start. 'I'm getting mad because there's nothing I can dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo to stop sucking!... in this videogame'.

Letting the whole world know that you're really mad at your 500 man alliance for any reason is bad. It's an issue of restraint, and as a result reflects on the way you play the game. When it comes to the minmatar militia, it's not an individual pilots' problem. Most of them have no problem keeping their head down when they do something dumb, but let's look at a couple of the ones who don't.

Aghy - Docklite Brigade
Kalo ASSISKOLD - Something dumb
Angus Ritchie - Scrapheap 'lost his Mojo' (No longer in the militia, but for the last year had some kind of more active presence in it)


These are the big 3, I don't want this to go on for too long so I'll leave it at them.

Aghy

This one is quick, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5665877

'When you can't beat them in spaceships you should blame everyone but yourself'

- Erwin Rommel

There's really not much to say about hypocrites either, but if you're going to ***** about being headshot and then proceed to attempt the same thing for every fight from then on, keep your voice down.

Kalo ASSISKOLD

Kalo likes to form blobs of kitchen sink frigates and destroyers and run from anything looking like a doctrine even when it has half their numbers. Retributions are pre easy to kill m8

This risk aversion (Yes, that term) is an extremely cancerous mentality to have when you're trying to 'rally the troops'. #nomedal is just a hashtag, it's a long term operation that was developed well before the minmatar started an 'organized' push for the warzone. I'm going to leak a conversation I had with one of our allies back in March:


*snip* Chat log Scrubbed*snip* ~Buldath


Looks like this is wearing out already, and you guys still have 10 systems to go!

As you can see, we clearly weren't having fun with not only a lack of cohesion from our opponents in the minmatar militia, but also their fighting attitude. While this can be used offensively (grr goons) it also has consequences. Look at the FCs in the minmatar militia now, they're all old guard. There's no new blood who are willing to step up, it's a cultural problem.

Let's contrast this attitude with DnG and MCF1B. We're both quite similar, in that we both take fights we're sure we'll enjoy whether we win or lose. DnG can muster numbers in a fleet that displays cohesion and ability, and we're happy to fight outnumbered. MCF1B are the same, the difference is that when they do fight outnumbered they tend to win P

I could dwell on this point for a long time, but I think you all get the picture.

Angus Ritchie

The slaves never do anything I actually cringe at in real life when it comes to local trashtalk. They like to keep it civil and related to in game experiences and events. I appreciate it, especially after spending the past year sharing local with Angus.

Angus has been chased out of the militia by people who aren't clearly insane, so this part is kind of a positive view on them.
I'll leave a picture to describe angus and leave it at that.

Angus *snip* Chat log Scrubbed*snip* ~Buldath

I don't need to explain what kind of effect keeping someone like this around has on your militia so I'll just move on.

Almost at the end of my character limit and I've looked at one question. Great.

Ushra'Khan has a history. Ushra'Khan has an identity that it has upheld for over a decade now... in name only.

So that doesn't make sense, but regardless what he's TRYING to say is more or less correct. Mizh is trying to say that the identity U'K has made for itself is not the one he wants it to have. Having 40 active members of a 400 man alliance isn't exactly the best identity though is it?

That doesn't mean it needs to be said, the stick approach doesn't really work when you're playing a video game.

tbc
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#2 - 2015-08-09 03:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
Make your guys feel like **** in a videogame where you need your guys logging in ready to fight is rarely a good idea. lol

Several times now there has been huge opportunities for Ushra'Khan to form up and take on PIE and other Empire entities directly in battles that would matter. Where there are Minmatar Slaves counting in the tens of thousands at stake. There has been towers full of them, points of contention where we could enforce our will.

They've been publicly announced and every time we have known exactly when the towers come out of reinforced and when PIE, Pyre or CVA would show up to grab them.

Every. Single. Time. We have done nothing.


I'm going to ignore the fact that you didn't specifically name CTRLV, -HB-, NEOS or any of the other decent alliances in the amarr militia.

You know why you've done nothing? I'm going to take this mail out of order for a second and explain it

Where's the pride? Where's the Minmatar Loyalty? Where's the willingness to take on a direct fight with PIE or CVA when the opportunity comes along, with no distractions?

You say it's nowhere, but he's why: *snip* Chat log Scrubbed*snip* ~Buldath

These fittings were all taken from your corporate fittings. Some highlights are the scram cruise typhoon, the dual prop EVERY ******* THING, the double and triple fitting mods, the random rigs you put in that ruin your resist profiles, the lack of webs etc

10 years you say? This looks like something a month old character would make up. Not to mention half your guys can't even fly half of those fits, and you haven't learnt how caps work on even your 5 year old pilots.

This is a structural problem. It's a problem with the foundations of your alliances, when you build an alliance based with pretty much everything important element messed up you're going to have a messed up alliance.

'Is it an alliance rule to make sure every single one of your fits is complete trash in U'K?'

- Shiva Makoto

You have older members who should be teaching new guys how to fit, but it's pretty clear that none of you yourselves know how.


No we don't. We haven't done that for ******* years. We are a god damn non-entity in the roleplaying community and PIE and CVA laughs at the name.

Because we get the opportunities and we never ******* take them.



******* ******* ******* AANGRRRRRYYYYYYYY

Nowhere. Not one person could stand up while I was out trying to keep two dying people alive as a paramedic, to take a fleet out to Oyeman and stand up to PIE.

See this is a problem too. Don't bring your RL stuff into eve with the intention of making people feel bad. Really really really horrible thing to do imo. And again, your guys might fleet up once or twice again to get dumpstered, but then they'll log out forever.

I literally can't keep this alliance relevant alone. DeT can't keep Ushra'Khan going alone. Hauke can't run all the logistics, or provide all the doctrine ships alone. Jebi can't run every fleet alone.

What the hell are you going to do to keep Ushra'Khan from being Ushra'Can't?


See Aghy's 'It's everyone elses fault but mine' post.

Your alliance isn't relevant, your content creators need to make it relevant. If you have none left, you guys should be making it your top priority to lead fleets that achieve something. Offer incentives for line members to step up, train new FCs and stop being a bunch of trashies.



Anyway,

Good luck Ushra'Khan


Love from Ots

PS: THIS ****.*snip* Chat log Scrubbed*snip* ~Buldath
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#3 - 2015-08-09 03:45:38 UTC
The Minmatar RP groups never were really relevant or influential, and that has actually hurt the CVA more than UK. RP requires interplay, and CVA has mostly had to play with themselves, while UK struts around after knocking down a Small Tower that was offline for six months.

Frankly, UK needed FW to stay solvent. So, no matter how bad they look now, they are still here and still strutting around.

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Shiva Makoto
Blue Canary
Watch This
#4 - 2015-08-09 04:06:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiva Makoto
Good job leaking our top secret strategy Ratboi!

U'K you know it's bad when you force Ratboi to goodpost. I think what you said can be applied to all of Minmil except maybe Goats.

There are at least some new fc's that actually fight, Renee comes to mind. It's a really nice change to see.

#NOMEDAL
Nikolai Agnon
Khanid Propulsion Systems
Local Is Primary
#5 - 2015-08-09 04:30:02 UTC
You need more carrot to attract content creators, not more stick. Making your own members feel like crap for doing poorly does not make people want to play more. EVE is a game above all else, and people come to have fun. You certainly need all the resources you can get in order to be relevant, and members are the ultimate resource and the one that you should have more of, because muh underdog rebel slave, and because you have 400 members by count. Exploding ships is fun, even if they're sometimes your own.

We unironically want you guys to either disband U'K or man the **** up and play the game like it's meant to be played. Preferably, the latter. Isk and SP are not valid excuses for poor performance.

Lately there's been at least a little bit of improvement, but sweet heavens to Betsy do you guys need to step it up. The pendulum is coming back down and you better put on a show or you might as well play WoW, where you can do battlegrounds all day.

Nikolai Agnon for CSM XI!

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Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#6 - 2015-08-09 04:34:00 UTC
I used to be really committed to TLF, but I had to leave twice because of the sheer toxicity and disorganization. It is not a good environment for people to succeed and develop as a community. They need more people who encourage respect and personal growth and stand against dumbassery to even their friends.

They need new leadership so, so bad. But they'll never rebel because they don't even realize the problem.
SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#7 - 2015-08-09 05:07:45 UTC
JUSTK is recruiting \o/. Plus everyone knows Gal/Cal WZ is where its at.
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-08-09 10:08:49 UTC
I'm not actually sure what you are trying to accomplish with this thread...it doesn't look like a blatant troll...this is some elaborate trick! Maybe TEST has had a deep and disturbing psychological impact on DnG?


This is either a form of psychological warfare where you are trying to publicaly discredit/demoralise the Minis or try and stem their recruitment efforts or you are actually trying to help them with advice...but making them look bad in public as a side effect?

Here is some advice from an ex-mini commander for Amarr Militia if you genuinely want to help ensure you maintain a viable adversary:

Drop some of the meta that frustrates Mini Mils organisation efforts. Spies on coms are not necessary if Mini Mil are performing as bad as you claim. Stupid moves like spies shouting instructions over the FC in the middle of a fight hardly encourages future content! (I know some new recruits do that anyway...but I know for certain some in Amarr Mil find it funny to do)

The spies that are all over the place could be used to subtlety try and help the Minis up their game, if you are genuinely interested in helping them.

The pendulum is potentially about to swing as you say. You should be thinking about why should Mini Mil fight instead of going on holiday?

If Mini Mil want advice then I am happy to chat...in private...to pilots I know. Free of charge of course.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#9 - 2015-08-09 10:49:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
You are aware that the mail was mainly referencing something that had nothing to do with faction warfare, right? Which is why CTRLV/-HB- etc weren't named.
Svetlana Laknaya
Khushakor Clan
#10 - 2015-08-09 11:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Svetlana Laknaya
I don't really know all of the people you talk about (who is Angus Ritchie?) but, as someone who has recently started to FC I can assure you not all people who FC are really old guard players. Also lots of people in unity know how to fit their ships.

There are a lack of doctrines but, we are getting more organized and certainly plan on getting our medal. If you want to help min mil send new recruits my way and I will personally FC them to glory kicking Amarr's teeth in.
Milo Caman
Anshar Incorporated
#11 - 2015-08-09 11:13:33 UTC
Svetlana Laknaya wrote:
Also lots of people in unity know how to fit thie ships.


snrrk

If this is the case then you lot need to start enforcing fitting discipline, because I've seen no evidence that the people who know how to fit ships are sharing this information effectively with the fleets they run, especially in UNITY.
Aslon Seridith
Biohazard.
#12 - 2015-08-09 12:21:21 UTC
Who are U'K?

㋡ it's ASLON SERIDTH? | Minmatar Most Loved #1 | Gave Amarr a Medal | Orchestrator of BurnHuola'14 |

Author of: How to win FW in 3 months | Nullsec Bittervet | www.winmatar.com

Varrinox
Shadows of the Empire
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#13 - 2015-08-09 14:29:37 UTC
We will see
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#14 - 2015-08-09 15:05:54 UTC
Aslon Seridith wrote:
Who are U'K?



this is the best post you've ever made. Asslong that isn't saying much
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#15 - 2015-08-09 15:22:11 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
I'm not actually sure what you are trying to accomplish with this thread...it doesn't look like a blatant troll...this is some elaborate trick! Maybe TEST has had a deep and disturbing psychological impact on DnG?


This is either a form of psychological warfare where you are trying to publicaly discredit/demoralise the Minis or try and stem their recruitment efforts or you are actually trying to help them with advice...but making them look bad in public as a side effect?

Here is some advice from an ex-mini commander for Amarr Militia if you genuinely want to help ensure you maintain a viable adversary:

Drop some of the meta that frustrates Mini Mils organisation efforts. Spies on coms are not necessary if Mini Mil are performing as bad as you claim. Stupid moves like spies shouting instructions over the FC in the middle of a fight hardly encourages future content! (I know some new recruits do that anyway...but I know for certain some in Amarr Mil find it funny to do)

The spies that are all over the place could be used to subtlety try and help the Minis up their game, if you are genuinely interested in helping them.

The pendulum is potentially about to swing as you say. You should be thinking about why should Mini Mil fight instead of going on holiday?

If Mini Mil want advice then I am happy to chat...in private...to pilots I know. Free of charge of course.


?

' if you genuinely want to help ensure you maintain a viable adversary'

This isn't a thing. We fly what we want, it has nothing to do with individual fleet efforts but rather our goals in the long term. Farming fights has been our main objective for the past 6 months, and we've been pretty successful in that regard. Spilling the beans early either prolongs this or we get t5. Either way is a win and I'm happy both ways.

I think you're really overestimating the number of spies we have. I'll leave it up to you to work out what I mean by that, but there's only so much you can accomplish with a few line members and a director. You get to that point and any extras get redundant.


How's periphery?
Shiva Makoto
Blue Canary
Watch This
#16 - 2015-08-09 16:01:15 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:


Drop some of the meta that frustrates Mini Mils organisation efforts. Spies on coms are not necessary if Mini Mil are performing as bad as you claim. Stupid moves like spies shouting instructions over the FC in the middle of a fight hardly encourages future content! (I know some new recruits do that anyway...but I know for certain some in Amarr Mil find it funny to do)



You clearly overestimate the effort we put into our elite spai network that may or may not exist.
Aslon Seridith
Biohazard.
#17 - 2015-08-09 16:58:04 UTC
Otsdarva IV wrote:
Aslon Seridith wrote:
Who are U'K?



this is the best post you've ever made. Asslong that isn't saying much


And this is the best thread u ever made Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

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Author of: How to win FW in 3 months | Nullsec Bittervet | www.winmatar.com

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#18 - 2015-08-10 00:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
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