EVE General Discussion

Not empty quoting. +1

I'm sorry, but this is why having a 12+ rating for EVE and having slavery/sex in the lore you have is a stupid idea.

What this says to people is "Yes, we have sex and violence in our games, but no we don't talk about it and we won't allow anyone else to talk about it" this some of the most nonsensical case of political correctness I've ever read and I regularly get news from the BBC, please stop being a bunch of pussies and just give this game an 18+ rating already. Your sales won't fall because children who want to play the game will either lie about their age or get their parents to buy it for them, the only people who care about this thing are people who either don't have children or are parents who are completely incompetent and incapable of raising them.

People need to stop running around and pretending they're for freedom of speech and expression and then immediately going back on what they say the moment anyone decides to bring up real issues.

Oh and stop censoring swear words you stupid assholes, I know of kids as young as 13 who know exactly what it all means so it just proves it does nothing anyway.

I've seen so many perfectly good threads out there ruined by bored moderators these days I guess I'm pretty pessimistic about this sort of thing now, the moment they get a complaint I think it's very likely they'll lock it so they can save face, but anyway, swearing is just a matter of context and censorship has systematically proven itself over the years to be completely pointless. As for me seeming like an uneducated buffoon, at least it's better than being an over-educated and arrogant moron.

Oh and to stay on topic when the hell am I going to be able to get minmatar slaves in my Captain Quarters? I can't be a True Amarrian without slaves! :(

Navigator, I tread very carefully here but one interpretation of your post is that you have approved of the post five before your own?

I think it might be wise to reconsider, then also wipe this post, and any that subsequently quote it.

Seriously.

Because there were some serious bad choices in original EVE lore and game design its not appropriate IMO to be a proponent of slavery even from a role play perspective.

Remember that...
1 All black avatars in EVE are part of the slave race.
2 All black avatars in EVE originally were from the in game tribe with the lowest intelligence.

These were really bad original choices by the devs. They probably didnt know better because they lived in the rather closed society of Iceland, but none the less it was bad.

So given this back ground I dont really think any one should be openly role playing in favor of slavery.
Its fine to use this as lore and say its the reason for a historic war - but its not fine to be pro-slavery in this context.

Ghoest, I fully understand your sentiment but you are diving into a hugely controversial area. Take your argument to its logical conclusion and you'll also get to 'I don't really think that any one should be openly role playing in favour of shooting people'.

It just aint gonna happen...

You're never going to resolve the argument re: whether RPG and RL moralities should align.

Actually Ghoest, the ONLY group that has ANY relationship to any specific in game group is the Gals been from a french origin.

Also you don't think instead of discrimination, the lower intelligence of the 'ex-slave' races might have been more due to their lower levels of education as opposed to a natural lack of intelligence. It would only really have been discrimination if you couldn't remap your attributes to the same levels as everyone else.

Lets avoid IRL discrimination without influencing RP please, we DON'T need all this political correctness bullshit we get in real life. We can RP as rapists, murders, thiefs and slavers. It has ZERO relevance to the real world.
If you can't seperate the real world from the game then YOU have a problem, not the RPers.

Oh and if you think ANY of this is sick, wait till you see World of Darkness. All I have to say there is read about the Sabbat, that make ANYTHING the Amarr have done tame in comparison.

Your argument only holds ANY truth if you regard there as been no difference between effective intelligence and potential intelligence. A person with a lesser education with have a lower effective intelligence than someone who has had a better education.
They how how to analyse information better because they have been taught to.

You are reading into it that CCP were saying that the minmatar race is genetically less intelligent than the others, instead of the simple fact that a race emerging from slavery is much much less likely to have the same education facilities. I'm fairly sure that educating their slaves wasn't a high piroity for the amarr.....

Also what relevance does that have to RPing a slaver.... even IF CCP were been racist (which I don't believe) then that doesn't mean that a player RPing a slaver is been either racist or disrespectful, they are just RPing.

Also the fact that there is no relation in the lore between blacks IRL and Minmatar in game completely destroys your argument. For all you know the Minmatar could originally have been a population of white people who simply lived on a planet with a high UV output sun, in which case natural evolution would have made their skin become darker over the generations.

Trying to read as much between the lines as you are doing into this you could make a large number of other faulty accusations about anyone.

Well.. the uglyness of history should always be magnified - atleast in so much that ignoring history dooms all to repetition. (feel the platitude burn) That being said, New Eden is riddled with barbaric practices - slavery, being only a fraction of them.

Ofcourse, I do think that restricting "black skin" to a single race is shortsighted. Specifically, at the minimum the Gallente should have access to the applicable skin-tone and features. Rationally speaking, the fact that all the Empires don't have a wider spread of ethnocentric qualities is a bit absurd IMO.

The fact that the Empires themselves do not have a united front on the motivations of a given capsuler is telling, despite the motivations doubtlessly instilled in said pilot by their origin cultures alone. IE: not all Amarr are devot racists, not all Gallente are freedom respecting altruists, not all Caldari are corporate lackies/oppresors, not all Minmatar are abolitionist rebel types, and not all Jovians are... well... weird.

Ethnic blending would have/should have happened enough to rationally justify access for every empire to have a wider diversity of ethnic stylization - though that wouldn't necessarily mean access across all bloodlines in a given empire.

O certainly, nothing can stop him if he decided to. Actually at one point he ran away to Angel Cartel space, because there was an unusually large collection of freedom fighters that he then took to Minmatar space to fund an upgrade to his ship and bolster the liberation of more of his people. In the end his mater caught him and it was a sad state of affairs.

The meta catch is The Amarr has access to the Slave's Concord License (read: username and password) so there is no escape for the poor fellow.

As meta as it all is, there are absolutely ways for a slave to earn it's freedom with help and motivation. But, it's just as feasible that said capsuleer slave could be prevented/discouraged from grasping the opportunity of freedom.