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HighSec Ganking and Appropriate Punishment

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Paula Enkhashour
Doomheim
#581 - 2015-08-08 21:45:24 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Unless you think that it is derrogatory to be youself, I dont see why "your kind of people" is derrogatory.

It is like, pretending I am my character, it would be offensive for me to be called Khanid. LOL


You're trying to categorise and compartmentalise the actions of people you don't like and put it in a nice little package labelled "not normal human behaviour" for the sake of othering the people that play the game in a way you simply don't understand. Then you use terms such as 'sociopath' for those categories without knowing what it means, and the only time people use terms without knowing what they mean as labels is when they're being used as pejoratives, so play the coy passive-aggressive all you want, but what you're doing is nothing new. People who fail at EVE have been trying to do this to their betters since EVE has existed, and you are not making any unique statements or 'observations'.

So go ahead, play the coy passive-aggressive all you want, but you'll excuse us if we consider your assertions as little more than the angsty finger-pointing and inability to take responsibility for your own failures that they are. But you are also being offensive and rude, and you're probably going to get called out on that.


Who said I dont like them ? First. I am the number one fan of honesty to thyself. Being honest to what oneself is start by being honest to what oneself was and what oneself thinks.

Who said it is not normal human behavior ? The majority of the World population use games, alcohol, drugs and stress as excuses to do what they always wanted without the burden of having that perceived as their rational decisions.

All the posts in this forums are based on the logic that what cant be proven wrong is by definition right. Trying to offend me as anything just proves my point. Feeling offended by my words just prove me right. The fact that I am never met with silence when I say that prove me right. A sane action of a person who thinks they are not a sadist psycho is to just dismiss this words as non-sense.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#582 - 2015-08-08 21:47:44 UTC
Wait a second! So if you are a carebear in-game who is whining all the time then you are probably doing that in RL as well?
Paula Enkhashour
Doomheim
#583 - 2015-08-08 21:54:34 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Wait a second! So if you are a carebear in-game who is whining all the time then you are probably doing that in RL as well?


Exactly my point.

People are so selfish they complain because they take anything as meant just for them.

doesnt matter if it is in a game, in a forum, or in a bar, or in a university room.
Avvy
Doomheim
#584 - 2015-08-08 21:54:48 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Wait a second! So if you are a carebear in-game who is whining all the time then you are probably doing that in RL as well?


Probably.

Although I think they would rather try and convince us that the characters are actual people. Instead of us all playing a fantasy game. *shakes head
Mag's
Azn Empire
#585 - 2015-08-08 22:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Unless you think that it is derrogatory to be youself, I dont see why "your kind of people" is derrogatory.

It is like, pretending I am my character, it would be offensive for me to be called Khanid. LOL


You're trying to categorise and compartmentalise the actions of people you don't like and put it in a nice little package labelled "not normal human behaviour" for the sake of othering the people that play the game in a way you simply don't understand. Then you use terms such as 'sociopath' for those categories without knowing what it means, and the only time people use terms without knowing what they mean as labels is when they're being used as pejoratives, so play the coy passive-aggressive all you want, but what you're doing is nothing new. People who fail at EVE have been trying to do this to their betters since EVE has existed, and you are not making any unique statements or 'observations'.

So go ahead, play the coy passive-aggressive all you want, but you'll excuse us if we consider your assertions as little more than the angsty finger-pointing and inability to take responsibility for your own failures that they are. But you are also being offensive and rude, and you're probably going to get called out on that.


Who said I dont like them ? First. I am the number one fan of honesty to thyself. Being honest to what oneself is start by being honest to what oneself was and what oneself thinks.

Who said it is not normal human behavior ? The majority of the World population use games, alcohol, drugs and stress as excuses to do what they always wanted without the burden of having that perceived as their rational decisions.

All the posts in this forums are based on the logic that what cant be proven wrong is by definition right. Trying to offend me as anything just proves my point. Feeling offended by my words just prove me right. The fact that I am never met with silence when I say that prove me right. A sane action of a person who thinks they are not a sadist psycho is to just dismiss this words as non-sense.
Nice circular logic you have there.

You label players of this game and when they pull you up on it, claim that because they do, you are right.

Games night at your house, must be a complete blast. Heaven forbid anyone wants to play chess, you never know if they will try and murder you or not.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Paula Enkhashour
Doomheim
#586 - 2015-08-08 22:55:41 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Unless you think that it is derrogatory to be youself, I dont see why "your kind of people" is derrogatory.

It is like, pretending I am my character, it would be offensive for me to be called Khanid. LOL


You're trying to categorise and compartmentalise the actions of people you don't like and put it in a nice little package labelled "not normal human behaviour" for the sake of othering the people that play the game in a way you simply don't understand. Then you use terms such as 'sociopath' for those categories without knowing what it means, and the only time people use terms without knowing what they mean as labels is when they're being used as pejoratives, so play the coy passive-aggressive all you want, but what you're doing is nothing new. People who fail at EVE have been trying to do this to their betters since EVE has existed, and you are not making any unique statements or 'observations'.

So go ahead, play the coy passive-aggressive all you want, but you'll excuse us if we consider your assertions as little more than the angsty finger-pointing and inability to take responsibility for your own failures that they are. But you are also being offensive and rude, and you're probably going to get called out on that.


Who said I dont like them ? First. I am the number one fan of honesty to thyself. Being honest to what oneself is start by being honest to what oneself was and what oneself thinks.

Who said it is not normal human behavior ? The majority of the World population use games, alcohol, drugs and stress as excuses to do what they always wanted without the burden of having that perceived as their rational decisions.

All the posts in this forums are based on the logic that what cant be proven wrong is by definition right. Trying to offend me as anything just proves my point. Feeling offended by my words just prove me right. The fact that I am never met with silence when I say that prove me right. A sane action of a person who thinks they are not a sadist psycho is to just dismiss this words as non-sense.
Nice circular logic you have there.

You label players of this game and when they pull you up on it, claim that because they do, you are right.

Games night at your house, must be a complete blast. Heaven forbid anyone wants to play chess, you never know if they will try and murder you or not.


Learned from the best.
All the people here say everything is pvp, and if I say something is not pvp, in doing so I am proving it is pvp.
Same principle.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#587 - 2015-08-08 23:08:22 UTC
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Unless you think that it is derrogatory to be youself, I dont see why "your kind of people" is derrogatory.

It is like, pretending I am my character, it would be offensive for me to be called Khanid. LOL


You're trying to categorise and compartmentalise the actions of people you don't like and put it in a nice little package labelled "not normal human behaviour" for the sake of othering the people that play the game in a way you simply don't understand. Then you use terms such as 'sociopath' for those categories without knowing what it means, and the only time people use terms without knowing what they mean as labels is when they're being used as pejoratives, so play the coy passive-aggressive all you want, but what you're doing is nothing new. People who fail at EVE have been trying to do this to their betters since EVE has existed, and you are not making any unique statements or 'observations'.

So go ahead, play the coy passive-aggressive all you want, but you'll excuse us if we consider your assertions as little more than the angsty finger-pointing and inability to take responsibility for your own failures that they are. But you are also being offensive and rude, and you're probably going to get called out on that.


Who said I dont like them ? First. I am the number one fan of honesty to thyself. Being honest to what oneself is start by being honest to what oneself was and what oneself thinks.

Who said it is not normal human behavior ? The majority of the World population use games, alcohol, drugs and stress as excuses to do what they always wanted without the burden of having that perceived as their rational decisions.

All the posts in this forums are based on the logic that what cant be proven wrong is by definition right. Trying to offend me as anything just proves my point. Feeling offended by my words just prove me right. The fact that I am never met with silence when I say that prove me right. A sane action of a person who thinks they are not a sadist psycho is to just dismiss this words as non-sense.


Prattle on more about how you didn't lump a bunch of people together and call them all psycopaths or sociopaths as if videogame behaviour is indicative of mental state. It all sounds like you're making excuses for being judgemental to me. I have, not once, tried to offend you. I just call it like it is, and if you are offended by that, then I suggest you re-examine the accusations you've made of others here in these forums.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Mag's
Azn Empire
#588 - 2015-08-08 23:12:35 UTC
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Nice circular logic you have there.

You label players of this game and when they pull you up on it, claim that because they do, you are right.

Games night at your house, must be a complete blast. Heaven forbid anyone wants to play chess, you never know if they will try and murder you or not.


Learned from the best.
All the people here say everything is pvp, and if I say something is not pvp, in doing so I am proving it is pvp.
Same principle.
Non sequitur. People here state the fact that Eve is PvP centric, that almost all of Eve involves conflict and competition.

You are using circular logic attempting to connect the game and RL.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Avvy
Doomheim
#589 - 2015-08-08 23:17:51 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Prattle on more about how you didn't lump a bunch of people together and call them all psycopaths or sociopaths as if videogame behaviour is indicative of mental state. It all sounds like you're making excuses for being judgemental to me. I have, not once, tried to offend you. I just call it like it is, and if you are offended by that, then I suggest you re-examine the accusations you've made of others here in these forums.



I get the impression she's just having a bit of fun trolling.

Think you're wasting your time talking to her.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#590 - 2015-08-08 23:23:10 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Prattle on more about how you didn't lump a bunch of people together and call them all psycopaths or sociopaths as if videogame behaviour is indicative of mental state. It all sounds like you're making excuses for being judgemental to me. I have, not once, tried to offend you. I just call it like it is, and if you are offended by that, then I suggest you re-examine the accusations you've made of others here in these forums.



I get the impression she's just having a bit of fun trolling.

Think you're wasting your time talking to her.
They seem rather angry, I'd like to know why? People who are angry, tend not to think too clearly and then become defensive. It's all there in their posts, but what's behind it?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#591 - 2015-08-08 23:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Avvy wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Prattle on more about how you didn't lump a bunch of people together and call them all psycopaths or sociopaths as if videogame behaviour is indicative of mental state. It all sounds like you're making excuses for being judgemental to me. I have, not once, tried to offend you. I just call it like it is, and if you are offended by that, then I suggest you re-examine the accusations you've made of others here in these forums.



I get the impression she's just having a bit of fun trolling.

Think you're wasting your time talking to her.


This is not trolling. What UAE does is trolling. This is incohesive garble about how people that gank are mentally challenged. It happens often on these forums, usually with people who have been beaten by someone and they come on here voicing the excuse that their killer is deranged because he chose to blow up spaceships in a game about blowing up spaceships. You'll have to excuse me, though, but I have been around long enough to detect the hint of bitterness in waffling like this.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Paula Enkhashour
Doomheim
#592 - 2015-08-08 23:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Paula Enkhashour
Just take into consideration the following fact: It has been years since I have never been involved in any combat in hisec or unexpected and unwanted combat out of it. I jump in into combat gladly and accept my losses as part of my incapacity to achieve victory, as I get my duty fulfilment as sign of my capability as a pilot. I also understand that ships are destroyed, people are podded, and that may not be a loss if you take the bigger picture of a conflict. I am used to pvp in a very close basis, and I really dont draw my ideas from being damaged by EVE, just the opposite. I love pvp and combat, and I wish all people could enjoy the true meaning of eve wars. But some of them never see the beauty of combat because they face pvp as non sense bullying and griefplay, and get the sense that pvp is resumed to that. As you accuse me of prejudicial thought about how gankers are, you are making a prejudicial argument as everyone who talk about gankers are victms. I welcome you to try gank me, any time. Come to me where I am, and If you get here, you are free to do it.

Almost every argument around this forums use the circular logic of RL, and as our friend stated, you are getting emotional. If you are not ingame what you are in RL and vice versa, why does the subject get in your nerves. Why you so eagerly defend the pvp centrism of eve when that accomplishes nothing more than prove what you already think and wont make me change my mind or stop posting ?

You understand what that means at least ?

If you cant simply stop arguing and some of you get that emotional, that means it somehow affects your feelings, ergo, it is the game projected in your real life, as the emotion drawn from satisfaction most of you clearly state when making another person lose their property even if that doesnt benefit you in any other level than that feeling running your body when your gank or preying on the weak has succeded. The fact that you feel something while do something is by definition psychological involvement, and thus, it has a REAL effect on you, from a virtual action you do, so you are drawing real satisfaction from a virtual action, being, by the same logic everything is pvp in eve, every real life reaction to virtual life action, a mix up of both. So in short: If you got a hardon for ganking people who cant pose a threat to you, you are a coward, sick psycho, and as that satisfaction is real and is not resumed as your character taking advantage on that, but the feeling your real self has, it is a real life desire and pradigm, making it a real life sick cowardess. But if you agree that nothing that isnt directly aimed to accomplish a goal is not linked to that goal, then neither everything is pvp, nor your real satisfaction with virtual actions are a sign of real sickness. Your pick.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#593 - 2015-08-09 00:00:34 UTC
Non sequitur.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#594 - 2015-08-09 00:01:18 UTC
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
*snipped out word garbage*


Quit yammering already, and write something coherent. The run on sentences alone should be a crime.

Blither on all you want about how much you hate EVE, how much you hate player freedom, and how much you want to remove PvP from the game because you can't manage your own emotions like an adult.

But if you don't quit attacking people's real life with your angry ranting, I'm whistling for the mods.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Paula Enkhashour
Doomheim
#595 - 2015-08-09 00:47:27 UTC
Again the famous forum argumentation:

"You are wrong because I dont understand what you said, and you are wrong because I dont like to read, and you are wrong because you are wrong, and you are wrong because you dont agree with me, and a miriad of simplistic nonsense."

Or, people who add latin definitions to look smart, when not even in a latin originated language forum we are.

But as you desire, I will indulge you in the latin jabber you seem to like so much:

Ad Hominem: almost everyone here at some point used ofenses personally directed to me as an argument, when I never said anyone here as being something or the subject to which I am refeering. I used the terms majority, most, everyone who does this, and so on, and never actually qulified anyone unless it is a general in which all people includes me aswell.

Ad Antiquitatem: The most used one. In any topic discussed here, with or without me posting, there is at least two posts stating that something is true just because it has been considered truth by many for a long time.

Ad Baculum: Not happening now, but have been happening since long time, is to get people to consider what they are saying and admit error under the penalty of being proved wrong by force ingame by means that actually prove nothing. Ergo, getting to prove eve is pvp centric by ganking me or wardeccing my corp.

Ad Ignorantium: The bright star of gaming foruns, to imply that someone must be educated in order to agree with you and say that they only disagree because they dont know what you talking, OR, by the same token, imply that you are wrong because they cant understand what you say.

Ad Nauseum: Admit it, everyone use this one.

Ad Populum: That is the trolls favorite. Say whatever people are agreeing to drawn numbers for your cause. Even some game devs did this at some point.

Ad Ridiculum: ok, guilty as charded. But I said I would do that, not in latin.

*** Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc: Sick people like how this sounds, but many people here have a real good time stating that something is true without really showing it to be.

Non Causa Pro Causa: Similar to the above, but regarding the effects they use as principle for an argument.

Non Sequitur: This is actually the weakest one everyone misuses, and that happened here, because of cicle of the above. If you really know what non sequitur means, you know that by itself it means a lot of things and by definition without context it means nothing. But if you imply by it that I am agreeing with something but deying its causes and/or consequences, you wrongly using your latin, as I am not. I may be using causes and consequences you dont agree with, but the structure in which I use them are right. You may not agree my conclusions are right, that doesnt make them wrong or false unless you prove them to be.

Petitio Principii: Again one used to the oblivion. It is almost funny how many people use this retorical practice to feel they are right even if they usually are not.

Post Hoc: This is one the basis for one of the discussions as it is the sole basis used in the devs speech presented, as it may be something every emotional person without anything to hang use. Also called "throwing but the kitchen sink as argument", I even dismiss post hoc when it is used.

Now that we have all the latin jabber out of the drawer, you can pick one and nauseate with it but in the right circumstances.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#596 - 2015-08-09 01:12:13 UTC
Paula Enkhashour wrote:

"You are wrong because I dont understand what you said, and you are wrong because I dont like to read, and you are wrong because you are wrong, and you are wrong because you dont agree with me, and a miriad of simplistic nonsense."


That's not why you're wrong. It's been laid out to you quite clearly why you're wrong, you're just dead set on ignoring it.

I ignored the rest of your post because it's not even close to addressing the topic, you're just trying to take up more space to make yourself seem more authoritative than you actually are.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#597 - 2015-08-09 01:16:27 UTC
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
irrelevant jibberish


You are wrong because you are wrong, it's that simple. If you are going to call people sociopaths, you'd better have the damn qualifications to make that call, and you'd better have some evidence other than circumstantial guesswork, such as time spent analysing the subject of your assertion, otherwise it's little more than an angry pejorative. Capiche?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#598 - 2015-08-09 01:17:10 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Capiche?


Yes, I'd love one, I haven't eaten all day.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Paula Enkhashour
Doomheim
#599 - 2015-08-09 01:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Paula Enkhashour
Amost forgot: Having psychological involvement, issues or sickness or refering to psycho shorthand for psychological does not equate to call people psychopaths. You really should get your concepts straight before calling people out on things they havent said. And You may be refeering to sociopaths, which I didnt said either.

Still nothing but "you are wrong because you are wrong".

There is nothing but "he said, she said" mentions and this or that insult, this or that throwing of fallacies definitions that has no relation to the issue, and this or that quotes that just mean concept wars.

But there is no argument to what I said.

It is like me saying a chair is not adequate for your back because of this or that, and you replying: "You are wrong because a chair has a place to support your back". Then I say it is true, but that still not good for your back, and you say "But a GM said that chairs have a place to support you back". And from that point on you keep saying:
"You are wrong, chairs have support for your back", "You are wrong and still wrong because the chair do have support for your back".

You just keep estabilishing properties when I am talking about methods, and say that I am the one not making sense.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#600 - 2015-08-09 01:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Paula Enkhashour wrote:
Amost forgot: Having psychological involvement, issues or sickness or refering to psycho shorthand for psychological does not equate to call people psychopaths. ,



But it does require qualifications, and evidence. Without them, it's nothing but 'othering'. I see it all the time, and not just on these forums. I wasn't born yesterday. All you're doing is trying to put a label on people that don't behave in the way you want them to. By doing that, you DEMONSTRATE yourself to be a moron. This is not an ad hom, it's not even an insult, just an observed, demonstrated fact, with examples available in every one of your posts.

Paula Enkhashour wrote:

It is like me saying a chair is not adequate for your back because of this or that, and you replying: "You are wrong because a chair has a place to support your back".


Except that what I'm actually saying is, "what is your expertise with the spine, and what evidence do you have to support your assertions?"

Again, don't strawman me unless you wanna look more like a moron than you already do.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104