Crime & Punishment

Same for a freighter then, what is impressive is the organisation and the setting up of the gank, but the simple F1 monkey firing on a freighter is nothing special, its even more simple than keep at range 1,000 and blap what you are told to in fleet, once you arrive you target while setting guns running with overheat at the pretty obvious target, nothing special at all.

First time here, i dont know if i should do it. I want to respect everybody so i'm not going to enter in senseless discussion or a flaming one

English is not my mother language so it's not a reason to start flaming and trolling me, i dont want to writte in a forum plenty of childs or immature people just want to writte in a forum with understanding and mature people. Communication common sense is more important. And at least give my humble opinion, i'm sorry for such long post.

-AG, was conceived to avoid suicide ganking actions is true that we fail so many times in our task (but not always), there's something that we should consider about physics mechanism or game physic engine.

-Regarding bumping, the game mechanics is almost ok maybe CCP should reconsider the collitions between Ships or two bodies, usually in physics there are a strenght between two bodies which impact each other, the body who collides with another one encounters an opposite strenght that reacts against the collider, there's a damage as a result of the encounter of this forces, usually the less massive and dense body specifically the bumper who use to command a machariel should suffer more damage just because machariel ship mass (L) is smaller than the freighter one or capital ship and XL sized vessels, even the machariel sub-systems could become broken in the impact. And the space and the absence of gravity is not an exception.

-Especially in Jita this could be a problem and not only in jita, in every station and every jump gate, so the time that we have to avoid collides after undocking was an effective measure taken by CCP this measure could be effective and it's effective, it's ok measure taken by CCP even it couldn't be realistic at all i have a suggestion to excuse the limits of the game engine which one couldnt allow other solution after jumping within a gate or get inside or get out from a station.

-After a period of time or distance between the body where we have undocked or jumped there should exist the real physics with two colliding bodies in space. there should be a magnetic/anti-magnetic electron-positron shield in gates and Stations to avoid this colitions when we jump, dock or undock, but this magnetic field should have a limit in kilometers, like other mods which work with range.

-There could be a version of this magnetic field, like a module or better a rig for Capital ships which one could refuse the ship who wants to impact with an XL vessel size, so there isnt a real collision between bodies so there is no bumping action because machariel should be repulsed by this special XL system or rig. The choice to install the magnetic field falls back into the owner of the freighter or the XL ship, those who doesnt want to install it they could suffer the consecuences of bumpers and pirates with damage impacts involved.

-By this way Freighters, in my humble opinion should be improved with an almost one Rig slot in order to add magnetic system that ought to be an external system or a rig, by the way the freigther commander who decides to install it could have a chance to defend his/her ship of a bumping action, a chance measured by % and a new skill should be magnetism knowledge in order to comprehend the natural behaivour of Electrons and Positrons and change the nature of them by this futuristic knowledge (Sci-fiction).

-And regarding AG, it's true we are not effective as we should be because we are not enough people to create a coallition or an alliance that could face CODE and their allies, if it could be possible we could create this alliance and keep all time the state of war against CODE and their allieds.

-At the moment AG is only a bunch of privaaters capsulers whose dont have any resource only their own resources, we are not sponsored by a major aliiance despite the seems against CODE are strong enough in EvE community, in several cases are limited, even our channel could be easily spied by anyone and our intel easily intercepted.

-What AG needs is new conscience, as CODE use to writte we are in a new galaxy age, this shouldnt be only for their own interests people should be aware of this menace.

-I know that most of the people are against CODE and their allies so the only way to fight them properly is moving a new conscience amongst this people whose refuse them, Creatin a Coalition of alliances or a big alliance which could escort properly the freighters and face CODE and their allies.

-So people dont want to get involed in this, because they focus their own efforts in their alliances and their space despite soo many people dont want CODE in the cluster.

-AG should awake a new conscience among the more innocents and honest corporations in order to face this "New age" and its creator a union against all unnatural and tyranny behaivour and out of all common sense that so many of us dont share but we havent react properly yet.

I dont feel so well so it is enough, sorry for this long post, and fly safe always folks.

P.D. sorry for grammar mistakes or if i commited an spelling mistake.

Thank you admiral root but i cant join CODE.

It's impossible to me.

I respect you as one of my mature enemies.

Thanks again

It's true Remiel I'm sorry yor are right.

But my targets will still being CODE and their allies.

I dont know why, it is because my immovable values, or personal circumstances despite all this is a social simulation.

Despite all we are human beings behind a computer and that gives us dignity of being human beings. since the first follower of CODE till the poor merchant who lose all and his/her time.

You seem to be getting a bit excited, there are a number of different skill points in this game, its understanding that and mastering those that are key to doing well, also getting used to controlling the adrenaline rush and executing your plan, that is what makes it fun, my favourite kill was manipulating a very good Razor pilot to go after my Crusader so I could warp in my Munin and blap him, it required keeping him in a box for the Munin optimal when warping in then getting the transversal right, his ship exploded, another was a 1v1 both with a thrasher where he charged at me with his MWD on and I did not put mine on and waited for the cycle of his MWD to nearly finished before I scrammed him, he exploded, on the other side my loss of an Ishtar recently was because I missed the Astero, the new icons I think.

My approach with gankers was to start blapping a selected one as soon as they arrived with the intention of killing it before CONCORD blew them up, after that I would just shoot another one that was there until they were all dead. The kills added to my KB mean nothing, but making up nearly all the DPS did and doing it in such a way and with the right timing so they could not get a shot back on me even though sometimes they tried gave me personal satisfaction, I enjoyed them and valued them, I suppose you have a favourite perfect gank?.

Getting in the right optimal for a freighter is not difficult if you have a good warp in, its a simple matter of overheat engage guns and lock up, the freighter is slow moving and a big target. The only real deal is working out what is needed based on its tank, which you have ship scanned it for and the opposition from anti-gankers, then you just work out the fleet composition from the Goon/CODE gank table. The FC does most of the work, I would suggest that your efforts are not far off of the execution style hit of a BLOP's group, where the object is not a fight, just a fast and efficient execution. Which gets back to the issue neither is much fun for the victim and both are really just the satisfaction from perfect execution.

Whereas a small gang fight can get quite messy and fun with different people joining in etc

Anyway relax, chill out its just a game isn't it, or do tears and winding people up really matter to you, they don't to me!

@Paula, congrats on being a below average troll or completely failing to understand Eve. Possible both.

Congratulations on being completely irony impaired.

Most people in this thread seems to consider hisec pvp the only pvp, therefore impressing the results on things that afect only hisec a strike on pvp itself.

Most people in this thread seems to consider that pvp in EVE is tweaked having only 1vs1 in mind.

Most people in this thread seems to consider that ganking and baiting are the most honorable and revered form of pvp.

Most people in this thread are a shame for the pvp in EVE and possibly for any form and game in which pvp happens and they take part on it.

On a side note: I am the troll but I am not answering irony with "common non-sense". Think about it.

The only serious argument deem to be answered as such:

Remember, devs are from different groups, and taking the pvp related dev statements solely to make your point is at least naive. Remember that no one ever said pvp is the aim of EVE Online, it is said that EVE Online has a more present pvp as part of its commitment to make a sandbox World. And precisely AS SUCH, devs do not restrict or enhance one aspect of the game over another, despite the playerbase assumption that they do.

The core feature of EVE is not PVP combat. The universe of EVE is based on politics. You can see how one gets to that conclusion drawing a table and putting how many features of EVE were created and mostly enhanced to achieve which objective, and as much as combat pilots usually see ONLY one aspect of eve development, more than twice as much features in EVE were meant to create, sustain and protect political alliances and diplomatic dominance. On top of that, if you add everything that is not pvp related in EVE online, you will see that less than 15% of EVE online is developed over PVP. PvP is actually an accessory mechanic existing to the sole purpose of political tool. Outside the political domain, pvp servers ONLY for boasting ego and general self serving and self contained satisfaction rather than any game objective.

Another way to see that is think the following scene:
A player can enjoy eve online avoiding any pvp engagement, understandably, SOME features wont be available for you for that reason, but the majority of the game will still be at your service.
A player who only and exclusivelly uses PVP, and stay clear from market, from non pvp missions, industry or trading cannot participate em the majority of the game features and at some point will be unable to enjoy the game as a whole, because without the trading, the industry and the politics, there is short lived pvp.

So it is completely wishful thinking of pvpers that EVE Online is built for, mainly, or even equally, for PVP.

Most people in this thread regard them as time honoured and revered forms of PvP, which is different.

I wouldn't go that far, you're not that good.

You're right in one way, but completely wrong in another. The core feature/design principle of Eve as stated by CCP is PvP, or enabling conflict if you will. Ship to ship combat is a small component part of PvP; as is virtually every other activity in Eve.

Politics are driven by conflict, and conflict is driven by politics.

Your definition of PvP is way too narrow, it encompasses pretty much every activity where you are competing with another player. CCP have gone so far as to say that they consider every action you take as a form of PvP, and so should you.

Politics IS PvP, it's a form of empire building. Empire building is where you acquire resources, territory, and numbers in order to expand your size, influence and wealth, to the detriment of those that would oppose you.

With the above in mind, go ahead and list the 85% that aren't biased towards or enable PvP in one form or another.

While true that you can play Eve with the appearance of avoiding any PvP, the truth is that you can't.

Anything that touches the market is PvP, however indirect. Avoiding being an explosion is PvP. Making people explode is PvP. Internet spaceship politics is PvP, ad infinitum.

TL;DR Eve is a PvP game, deal with it.

It must be my time zone then because I hardly see anybody talking in it except for the occasional actor putting on some Shakespearian revenge dialog.

It's not my logic, it's CCPs (see page 21)