Player Features and Ideas Discussion

By reducing people's expectations...?

The mainstream trend is that you pick a game, drop-in and drop-out at will, and do well regardless of your individual progress or muscle memory/experience.

When I started to play EVE my sole ambition was to be sneaky in nullsec space, and strictly fly cov-ops frigs and just build financial capital from exploration sites. I never got to it, but that seemingly trivial goal was my long-term plan. This gave me plenty of time to explore the game mechanics, meet new people, participate in different activities.

Then there are people who hear of B-5R or whatever and think they will jump into the game and grind it out for 24/7 for 2 weeks straight and be at "end-game", flying carriers and shizzle.

You can't satisfy those people. It's all in their perception.
The NPE changes are "meant to" encourage people to think laterally, rather than sequentially. I guess, people just expect a game to be like sport - "fair", with artificial barriers that limit the scope and ability of each individual participant, to the point where the actions that someone can take become predictable.

Considering how common and mainstream games are, it's probably worth looking at the problem from a philosophical POV.
Elite: Safety community is discussing whether or not they want the game to be like EVE. People get really butthurt over losing stuff like "2 months worth of exploration loot at an organised gathering". Socipaths and stuff.

Whoa wtf did I just write.

Perception can be changed.
The "this is EvE " trailer worked.
But there maybe more other, honest trailers could work too?

Sneak around in 0 sec avoiding sov-fights. Being a 0sec lone wolf.
Fozzy-sov successfuly reduced powerprojection.

I ve lost *some* ships in my own sov space.
So what ppl miss in Elite is the depth that EvE has.

....only if I get a date with Arla

Yeah, Which is what Goons essentially do with their newbros and why they are a strong community.
Game isn't dying, it's just that all the other power blocs lost The Game.

No, to get newbies into PvP, you need to get newbies to find friends who like to shoot things, and then have them go around causing mayhem.

Then what is the proposal? All I can figure out is that EVE>ELITE
Im finding your posts hard to follow.

Matchmakers don't work OP.

They all start with the grand idea of balanced matches. And when RL says that is not happening....they say well you get option B. You get whatever we give you.

Its not like they do this to screw you. Its done for the simple reasons matchmakers have 2 main points to be concerned about.

1. Giving a "fair" match
2. Giving these matches in decent amount of time.

2 push to shove takes precedence. As you can't have players sitting in a queue for long amounts of time waiting for pops. Saw this in WoT a lot over 1.5 years. Back me in corner and I will say I favored crap MM setups over sitting in line for several minutes doing nothing. I'd rather DIAF and try to earn some credits vice twirling my thumbs for several minutes on every match I joined all night.


Also as mentioned have to factor in eve has no levels. SP is not an indicator of anything. I can show you a 60+ mil sp bear who can't fight their way out of a paper bag. Hell I can show you a 60+ mil sp f1 spam monkey in the blob who is useless out of fleets flights. I can also show you 20 mil sp players who went small scale and ship pvp very early in their career who can walk the walk and talk the talk quite well. I take a Pro AT player (been in them for years on teams that place well if not win)...have them in one of their low sp alt and they have all that real world playing experience to stomp holes in peoples asses.

Ship wise...ccp can't filter down to a MM matrix here. even Wot Failed with this. with just a few classes of tanks and not much variety in the classes themselves. I recall with sadness me reaching my goal of their 9/10 in medium tanks. Why the sadness....MM would say well you are top tank for your team Mr. uber medium tank...all that hard work paid off and here is your epeen reward.

Then match me with a tier 9/10 heavy on the other side. Most times my guns barring use of gold ammo had a snowballs chance in hell of decent penetration on my "equal". As I did not spend money for gold ammo (it wasn't payable by silver at that time, iirc they changed that later) that match up was off to a bad start right there alone. And god help me if they found me first.....or an arty party match up, death from above I could do nothing about.

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Just for the obvious try to troll.

-->The Threads title starts "thoughts (as in ideas) welcome".

Forums guys are incapable of discussion?
At least the gros of c-friends...

This is a feature and idea thread where YOU pitch your FEATURE and/or IDEA to the community.

If your thread is simply:
'lets make eve better. Whats your ideas?'

Then not only was that not clear but that's what the whole sub forum is for. Redundant would be an understatement.

The reason everyone thinks its about matchmaking is the title and then, of course, your use of the term 'matchmaking'.

Its also the only remotely non-vague proposal in the op.

So if its not about matchmaking, can you tell us what this is about without summarising in non-specific terms that EVE is better than elite?