EVE General Discussion

I think retired bittervets needs something new in the game - not just a change in mechanics.

What about a new area of space that is highly geared to high-SP players and ships - a FW environment for Capitals and T2's for example. Make is so that it is conquerable, but very hard to hold once it is conquered - so other groups have an opportunity to compete and become the new king. This would allow experienced players to fight worthy opponents, and give them less reason to find little/new groups to pound into space dust.

I had the so "fun" opportunity yesterday to speak on comms with a "vet".

I brought to find out his opinion on changing up the overhead of skills to make it easier for new players to get into EVE.
He proceeds to go on for like the next 10 minutes about how EVE isn't WOW and that it should get harder (like being back the attribute skills harder). He even says he hasn't looked on in like a month.

I finally got tired of his blathering and muted him.

For me, I say CCP should give all the "bitter vets" a big ****off.

I miss logging in to the game and seeing 30-35k accounts online. Now I am lucky to to see 20k and durning peek EU times.

It isn't Vet retention needs that EVE needs, it is new player retention.

But as a whole retention is important for all players.

SP needs overhauled.
Skills need overhauled- Basic, Advanced, and Expert
Basic skills should cover more components in the game (like one skill for torrents instead of three) and the advanced and expert need to be the specialized skills that player who have invested into a profession seek after.

Reduce the start up overhead - clean up the mid game play - expand the long term options. That's how you retain people.


I knocked doors for two years: teaching people the basic doctrines of my faith. I could teach the basic stuff to a person in a few weeks, not months.
It was the rentention after I was done teaching them that was left to the local members. Giving the new person something to do to keep them busy while they worked toward the long term goal.

I want to keep going on but no sense in killing it any more.
Fix the systems already CCP
(If your worried about the SP pools from refunding skills, just make it so it adds extra SP per hour to the currently training skill, until the pool dries up)

Maybe he misses logging in to be moved by CCP away from Jita because it was packed and 50k were online.

35k peak? we haven't broken 30k all week, barely did on the weekend. 27k peak on a Friday... Rose colored glasses are the best colored glasses... but I prefer better vision.

And I don't understand you throwing your opinion around presenting it as facts.

All the people who are bad enough to check eveo gd before they know how bad and dumb it can be

There was no break of 30k this week. The last 30+k day was Sunday, a weekend. And on that last weekend it hit 32k for a few minutes.

The averages are 20k for the last few weeks... Keep looking at averages, zoom out to 3 months, 6 months, a year... all time...

If you think it is ok and healthy for this game to be down 50% from our glory days, then I can't help you.

Simple, first find out why the vets are bitter.

IMHO Vets should be respected, valued and most of all listened to. In the real world an Eve Veteran translates to a "Long Time Paying Customer" It is my understanding that in business you do two things to be successful. 1) You try hard to keep your existing customers. 2) You try hard to bring on new customers. Number 1 seems to be the problem here.

Every Vet has a story worth hearing that holds the answers to your question. So chat one up and listen. That and every Vet over 10 years should get 500 Billion Isks and a Faction Titan. /

Pointing to the weekend days where 30-35k is definitely the range and applying that to "The PCU during peak times the last few months has been 30-35k" is disingenuous.

Now if you were to say the peak time on Sundays has been 30-35k the last few months then yes, you would be correct. But the peak time PCU has been between 25-30k on non-weekend days. Don't sugarcoat it Dirt.

And none of that has addressed the issue that PCU peak on weekends used to be around 50-60k...

You are the one cherry picking weekends to make the data fit. Again, its only 30-35k on weekends... the other 5 days a week it is 25-30k

And you just said it yourself, cherry picking data is ignorance.

There is rarely the 35K you state is the norm playing this game these past few months. Maybe one day a week and for what? like 30 minutes?

Not saying McAltty isn't a troll, but at least he is a troll where the numbers are playing to his advantage. Tippia you appear to be a salmon swimming up stream, what is it you are trying to prove here? You want people to believe that during Euro high times there is 35K players online? Because I never see it, and the numbers say otherwise too.

Just leave the troll alone and he will starve!