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Official announcement regarding Anti-Ganker "White Knights".

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#41 - 2015-08-07 14:46:26 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Robert Sawyer wrote:
*sigh*
I really do not understand why all of you are praising CODE., a faction that has zero skill in PvP, backed out from the Alliance Tournament and, above all that, prefer to shoot at stuff that can't fire back.
I'm not saying that I'm some sort of PvP prodigy. My killboard's really shabby, but at least I have a few legit kills there.


And what about on mine?

And like it or not, ganking is a form of PVP that requires a high degree of skill, which you'd know if you'd ever tried it. I don't know anyone that didn't FUBAR their first attempt and fail completely, I don't know anyone that hasn't failed a ganks even after getting experience at it, and unlike PVP in lowsec, you ALWAYS lose what you're ganking with. The only place where a gank is not a legit kill is in your own subjective opinion, but it's as legit as any other form of ship combat PVP and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll understand why EVE needs it as much as any other PVP.

Killboards speak more to experience to me than actual ability, and based on yours, you have very little PVP experience. At the end of the day, experience is worth a lot more than ability, because you can develop a better understanding of the nature of EVE with more experience, but ability just lets you win more fights. And I'm sorry, but until you've got more experience yourself, you really aren't in any position for your opinion on what is and is not legit PVP to matter to anyone.


And yet CODE guys go on about CONCORD KB whoring even when the Hall Monitor does the majority of the damage... and you know what you guys can shoot back and do...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#42 - 2015-08-07 15:05:58 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
And yet CODE guys go on about CONCORD KB whoring even when the Hall Monitor does the majority of the damage... and you know what you guys can shoot back and do...


Do tell us about the many, many, many kills where AG did more damage than Concord. Oh, and once Concord jam us we don't shoot back at all.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#43 - 2015-08-07 16:28:09 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
And yet CODE guys go on about CONCORD KB whoring even when the Hall Monitor does the majority of the damage... and you know what you guys can shoot back and do...


Do tell us about the many, many, many kills where AG did more damage than Concord. Oh, and once Concord jam us we don't shoot back at all.


So shooting a ship that cannot fight back is PvP but shooting a ship that can fire back until it is jammed by CONCORD is not, methinks you gankers have selective thinking and if the AG player has most of the DPS it means he started shooting before CONCORD arrived, so you are just being a hypocrite.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#44 - 2015-08-07 16:36:22 UTC
I alway wonder why a whole fleet of our ships is dying after the gank if nothing is actually shooting back. It's like magic or something. Also the hall monitors seam to know that they are useseles, and not actually count as part of the ships defense.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#45 - 2015-08-07 18:01:19 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
And yet CODE guys go on about CONCORD KB whoring even when the Hall Monitor does the majority of the damage... and you know what you guys can shoot back and do...


Do tell us about the many, many, many kills where AG did more damage than Concord. Oh, and once Concord jam us we don't shoot back at all.


So shooting a ship that cannot fight back is PvP but shooting a ship that can fire back until it is jammed by CONCORD is not, methinks you gankers have selective thinking and if the AG player has most of the DPS it means he started shooting before CONCORD arrived, so you are just being a hypocrite.


Getting in on Concord kills, especially when you do a trivial amount of damage is cheap. Off the top of my head, the only ships I can think of that can't shoot back are freighters, jump freighters and shuttles. Blowing them up is both PvP (our targets aren't flown by NPCs, just frequently by people who act like them) and either economic warfare or piracy, depending on your point of view.

IB4 someone thinks of whatever ships I forgot that don't have highslots or drone bays.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#46 - 2015-08-07 18:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Dracvlad wrote:
Me thinks CODE is upset at losing that freighter in Uedama, lost by Hans Isu, well played Hall Monitors indeed Big smileLol

EDIT: Or perhaps not, it looks like Globby is getting bored and getting his stuff blown up, now the Benny Hill music works well for that, very well...




I never liked the term white knight though.

When people want to AFK a freighter through a gank pipeline they have it coming. I'd gank them myself if I needed the loot. But that's boring. I've watched ganker twitch streams and it smelled like mission blitzing in a fleet with unpredictable payout. And these are supposed to be the players who are superior to those who stare at rocks all day.

If the gankers knew what motivated anti-gankers, they would be glad there weren't so many of them, and in fear the façade that only carebears delivers tears will crumble.

And if most players knew what really motivated gankers, they would consider anti-ganking as a side profession.


Anti-gankers have the deck stacked against them up to that moment that concord shows up. Before that, there's no way to stop a gank. (conventional freighter ganks, not hyperdunking or miner ganks).

This leaves a lot of challenge. Most anti-gankers come into it without any idea of what to do and how to do it. There's no established metric. There is no established fitting. There is no established tactic.

And that's what makes it fun. Anti-ganking is where you find the people who accept a challenge and are not asperging for ISK or stats.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#47 - 2015-08-07 19:02:37 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
And that's what makes it fun. Anti-ganking is where you find the people who accept a challenge and are not asperging for ISK or stats.


Are we talking about the same anti-ganking movement? The people who regularly wish RL harm, not only on gankers, but on their friends and loved ones? The people who think it would be funny to waste police time by reporting us as a RL terrorist organisation? The people who think it would be funny to DDoS the minerbumping site? The people who ban anyone from their channel who isn't 150% opposed to ganking? The people who ban anyone who explains how to avoid being ganked, or gives quality advice on any aspect of the game?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#48 - 2015-08-07 20:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Anne Dieu-le-veut
Dracvlad wrote:

And yet CODE guys go on about CONCORD KB whoring even when the Hall Monitor does the majority of the damage... and you know what you guys can shoot back and do...


If CONCORD is in on the kill mail, it *usually* means you failed to prevent the gank (unless it's ECM), making your damage contribution meaningless, which is why you get mocked for CONCORD KM whoring. I rarely see a AG kill mail where they do most of the damage, anyway. I love seeing the "killmails" in AG channel of where you guys pat yourselves on the back for like 5% damage and on empty pods that don't even try to warp off.

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Anti-gankers have the deck stacked against them up to that moment that concord shows up. Before that, there's no way to stop a gank. (conventional freighter ganks, not hyperdunking or miner ganks).


LOL Not sure if serious
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#49 - 2015-08-07 21:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
When I White Knight I do so for one of three reasons. In this order Profit, the joy of messing with people and vengeance. Bob help the stingy freighter who doesn't make it worth my while

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#50 - 2015-08-07 21:37:48 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Anti-gankers have the deck stacked against them up to that moment that concord shows up. Before that, there's no way to stop a gank. (conventional freighter ganks, not hyperdunking or miner ganks).


LOL Not sure if serious


Given how often webbed freighters has been mentioned around here, together with posts explaining how to get a bump-tackled freighter to safety, I'm pretty sure he's just flat-out lying.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#51 - 2015-08-07 23:34:01 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

And yet CODE guys go on about CONCORD KB whoring even when the Hall Monitor does the majority of the damage... and you know what you guys can shoot back and do...


If CONCORD is in on the kill mail, it *usually* means you failed to prevent the gank (unless it's ECM), making your damage contribution meaningless, which is why you get mocked for CONCORD KM whoring. I rarely see a AG kill mail where they do most of the damage, anyway. I love seeing the "killmails" in AG channel of where you guys pat yourselves on the back for like 5% damage and on empty pods that don't even try to warp off.

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Anti-gankers have the deck stacked against them up to that moment that concord shows up. Before that, there's no way to stop a gank. (conventional freighter ganks, not hyperdunking or miner ganks).


LOL Not sure if serious




I'm working from the perspective of a third party, not the freighter pilot or ganker. Having not flown freighters or involved in webbing them, that means of prevention is outside of my scope. My perspective is, per this thread, how does a white knight, by definition one who sees a freighter in distress, prevent the gank?

And if I was serious I would not be playing a game.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#52 - 2015-08-07 23:36:21 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
And that's what makes it fun. Anti-ganking is where you find the people who accept a challenge and are not asperging for ISK or stats.


Are we talking about the same anti-ganking movement? The people who regularly wish RL harm, not only on gankers, but on their friends and loved ones? The people who think it would be funny to waste police time by reporting us as a RL terrorist organisation? The people who think it would be funny to DDoS the minerbumping site? The people who ban anyone from their channel who isn't 150% opposed to ganking? The people who ban anyone who explains how to avoid being ganked, or gives quality advice on any aspect of the game?



You mean the CODE plants in the anti ganking channels who stick out like sore thumbs and get banned because we can see through them.

That is, when they are not simply lurking and scanning everybody's bio looking for every little thing they can report on.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#53 - 2015-08-07 23:41:42 UTC
Ah, got it - it's all a conspiracy. Don't be frightened, these nice men in the white coats are going to make you better.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#54 - 2015-08-07 23:44:27 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'm working from the perspective of a third party


Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
You mean the CODE plants in the anti ganking channels who stick out like sore thumbs and get banned because we can see through them.


Roll

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2015-08-07 23:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Robert Sawyer wrote:
*sigh*
I really do not understand why all of you are praising CODE., a faction that has zero skill in PvP, backed out from the Alliance Tournament and, above all that, prefer to shoot at stuff that can't fire back.
I'm not saying that I'm some sort of PvP prodigy. My killboard's really shabby, but at least I have a few legit kills there.


And what about on mine?

And like it or not, ganking is a form of PVP that requires a high degree of skill, which you'd know if you'd ever tried it. I don't know anyone that didn't FUBAR their first attempt and fail completely, I don't know anyone that hasn't failed a ganks even after getting experience at it, and unlike PVP in lowsec, you ALWAYS lose what you're ganking with. The only place where a gank is not a legit kill is in your own subjective opinion, but it's as legit as any other form of ship combat PVP and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll understand why EVE needs it as much as any other PVP.

Killboards speak more to experience to me than actual ability, and based on yours, you have very little PVP experience. At the end of the day, experience is worth a lot more than ability, because you can develop a better understanding of the nature of EVE with more experience, but ability just lets you win more fights. And I'm sorry, but until you've got more experience yourself, you really aren't in any position for your opinion on what is and is not legit PVP to matter to anyone.


And yet CODE guys go on about CONCORD KB whoring even when the Hall Monitor does the majority of the damage... and you know what you guys can shoot back and do...


Ganking is far more difficult to achieve than shooting at something that's already going to die. Jus' saying. No one is crying about it though, just noting the propensity for Hall Monitors, such as yourself, to go for easy kills while whining that all CODE does is go for easy kills. Then when we do come after you with something more on 'your level', you run for the hills (or nul in your case) and never look back.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#56 - 2015-08-08 06:50:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Robert Sawyer wrote:
*sigh*
I really do not understand why all of you are praising CODE., a faction that has zero skill in PvP, backed out from the Alliance Tournament and, above all that, prefer to shoot at stuff that can't fire back.
I'm not saying that I'm some sort of PvP prodigy. My killboard's really shabby, but at least I have a few legit kills there.


And what about on mine?

And like it or not, ganking is a form of PVP that requires a high degree of skill, which you'd know if you'd ever tried it. I don't know anyone that didn't FUBAR their first attempt and fail completely, I don't know anyone that hasn't failed a ganks even after getting experience at it, and unlike PVP in lowsec, you ALWAYS lose what you're ganking with. The only place where a gank is not a legit kill is in your own subjective opinion, but it's as legit as any other form of ship combat PVP and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll understand why EVE needs it as much as any other PVP.

Killboards speak more to experience to me than actual ability, and based on yours, you have very little PVP experience. At the end of the day, experience is worth a lot more than ability, because you can develop a better understanding of the nature of EVE with more experience, but ability just lets you win more fights. And I'm sorry, but until you've got more experience yourself, you really aren't in any position for your opinion on what is and is not legit PVP to matter to anyone.


And yet CODE guys go on about CONCORD KB whoring even when the Hall Monitor does the majority of the damage... and you know what you guys can shoot back and do...


Ganking is far more difficult to achieve than shooting at something that's already going to die. Jus' saying. No one is crying about it though, just noting the propensity for Hall Monitors, such as yourself, to go for easy kills while whining that all CODE does is go for easy kills. Then when we do come after you with something more on 'your level', you run for the hills (or nul in your case) and never look back.


LOL, I certainly respect the planning and organisation that CODE and the Goons do to be so successful, but if you want to be a hypocrite then just continue, but shooting Gankers with the intent to kill them before CONCORD does or getting the majority of the DPS is a valid kill, and you lot hate that.

Also in terms of null, my kill board has kills in Stain two weeks before you started talking to me and without any war decs, so I could hardly have run from you. In truth I got bored with the Gankers, all the cards were stacked in their favour and at the end of the day the only way to have an impact was to blow up the freighter wreck, I will be doing that on a specialised toon soon by the way, I know you lot hate it...

EDIT: You lot seem very annoyed and a ultra aggresive on the forums and in local recently, what is biting you, been too successful, getting bored with it, or it is that the majority of people are just ignoring you and getting on with the game and just say, it happens..., is the tear font drying up because all that is left in the game are people who understand Eve and hold you lot in contempt, not for the execution or ship loss but because it is evident that you are all bitter and small minded...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#57 - 2015-08-08 09:43:34 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Robert Sawyer wrote:
*sigh*
I really do not understand why all of you are praising CODE., a faction that has zero skill in PvP, backed out from the Alliance Tournament and, above all that, prefer to shoot at stuff that can't fire back.
I'm not saying that I'm some sort of PvP prodigy. My killboard's really shabby, but at least I have a few legit kills there.


And what about on mine?

And like it or not, ganking is a form of PVP that requires a high degree of skill, which you'd know if you'd ever tried it. I don't know anyone that didn't FUBAR their first attempt and fail completely, I don't know anyone that hasn't failed a ganks even after getting experience at it, and unlike PVP in lowsec, you ALWAYS lose what you're ganking with. The only place where a gank is not a legit kill is in your own subjective opinion, but it's as legit as any other form of ship combat PVP and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll understand why EVE needs it as much as any other PVP.

Killboards speak more to experience to me than actual ability, and based on yours, you have very little PVP experience. At the end of the day, experience is worth a lot more than ability, because you can develop a better understanding of the nature of EVE with more experience, but ability just lets you win more fights. And I'm sorry, but until you've got more experience yourself, you really aren't in any position for your opinion on what is and is not legit PVP to matter to anyone.


And yet CODE guys go on about CONCORD KB whoring even when the Hall Monitor does the majority of the damage... and you know what you guys can shoot back and do...


Ganking is far more difficult to achieve than shooting at something that's already going to die. Jus' saying. No one is crying about it though, just noting the propensity for Hall Monitors, such as yourself, to go for easy kills while whining that all CODE does is go for easy kills. Then when we do come after you with something more on 'your level', you run for the hills (or nul in your case) and never look back.


LOL, I certainly respect the planning and organisation that CODE and the Goons do to be so successful, but if you want to be a hypocrite then just continue, but shooting Gankers with the intent to kill them before CONCORD does or getting the majority of the DPS is a valid kill, and you lot hate that.

Also in terms of null, my kill board has kills in Stain two weeks before you started talking to me and without any war decs, so I could hardly have run from you. In truth I got bored with the Gankers, all the cards were stacked in their favour and at the end of the day the only way to have an impact was to blow up the freighter wreck, I will be doing that on a specialised toon soon by the way, I know you lot hate it...

EDIT: You lot seem very annoyed and a ultra aggresive on the forums and in local recently, what is biting you, been too successful, getting bored with it, or it is that the majority of people are just ignoring you and getting on with the game and just say, it happens..., is the tear font drying up because all that is left in the game are people who understand Eve and hold you lot in contempt, not for the execution or ship loss but because it is evident that you are all bitter and small minded...




While the anti-gankers do fail, I can't help but notice that freighters just keep on coming through that gank pipeline, and elsewhere there's still freighters everywhere.

I talk to the victims of the ganks whenever I can. They don't care. Sure it's possible to goad one into some frothing rage but they are a minority.
When I talk to the victims, I tell them how they should consider making a wreck shooting alt as the best revenge on the people who blapped them.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#58 - 2015-08-08 10:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
While the anti-gankers do fail, I can't help but notice that freighters just keep on coming through that gank pipeline, and elsewhere there's still freighters everywhere.

I talk to the victims of the ganks whenever I can. They don't care. Sure it's possible to goad one into some frothing rage but they are a minority.
When I talk to the victims, I tell them how they should consider making a wreck shooting alt as the best revenge on the people who blapped them.


Yeah its what I noticed, very few rage, most of the people that do rage seem to be CODE agitators in the AG channel, I saved one guys freighter, but he had already removed the cargo and did not care about the freighter dying, so he logged and was like no issue. But we saved it anyway just because it was doable, most people I met were "its only a freighter", or "oh that hurts a little but that's Eve". Is CODE finally realising that they don't really matter, that is part of my decision to go back to null, the freighters keep on coming no matter what and my concerns that hisec indy players would walk appear unfounded, they are made of sterner stuff and are likely to be so much richer than CODE...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-08-08 10:04:51 UTC
I left the comfort of lowsec once to go freighter ganking with loyalnon as he invited my previous corp to fly with him. After a couple of ganks, the White Knights started trash talking in Uedama local saying they had a freighter they were protecting with a full contigent of Scimitars and Scythes to protect it, and they actually dared us to take it out while under their protection.

Of course, loyalnon accepts the challenge.

It was so funny to watch the White Knight tears in local as that freighter with logi actively repping it popped like a virgin's cherry.

Ah, good times.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2015-08-08 10:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Dracvlad wrote:


LOL, I certainly respect the planning and organisation that CODE and the Goons do to be so successful, but if you want to be a hypocrite then just continue, but shooting Gankers with the intent to kill them before CONCORD does or getting the majority of the DPS is a valid kill, and you lot hate that.


No one is saying it's not valid. You really need to get that through your very thick skull before I can take you seriously on anything again. Call me a hypocrite all you like, but if it's based off a false premise that I consider whoring on CONCORD mails illegitimate, then it's nothing but slander, and that makes you less precious than the the frozen corpses smeared across the hull of my Confessor.

What I would argue is considering any percentage on a target that's going to die regardless of any action you might take is nothing special. Nothing that impresses me, anyway.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104