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Current state of drone ships for low and mid level PvE?

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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-08-07 14:29:00 UTC
Also I'm kind of disagreeing with the earlier poster that said my drone skills "suck." No, they're not all maxed out, but I've got Drones to V and Light and Medium and Avionics to 4, and all the support stuff to 3. O_o

No, I don't have the specializations yet, but where I'm at, I don't "need" them.
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-08-07 14:48:48 UTC
Also, for anyone thinking "he's a f'ing n00b, he has no idea wtf he's going to want do to, wtf is he asking about this specific area of gameplay!?!?" - it's like this.

Anyone that is an MMO generalist (someone who plays/has played lots of MMOs) will get this. Here's my main characters in a sampling of other MMO's I've played:

UO - tamer (actually had 4 GM tamers O_O )
EQ - Necro (and then a Beastlord when they were added)
WoW - Hunter, Warlock
EQ2 - Necro
AO - Meta-physicist
LOTRO - Lore-master
WAR - Squig herder

See a pattern yet? :D

I realized, EVE has drones!!!!!!!ten They're pets. Yup.


Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-08-07 15:09:10 UTC
No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones. You need to get those and the support skills up higher. "Need" means to have the best results. its a substantial difference and will make your life a lot better.

You seem to not understand how drones work either. The worm fields less drones but they are A HUGE AMOUNT stronger than any other ship fielding two drones. Because of the worm's bonuses you do more damage than you would flying any other drone boat and you would finish missions faster.

Lastly... Drones are pets. I have a Gecko that I've had for weeks of deployment. I love it like a child.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#24 - 2015-08-07 15:19:48 UTC
I fly the SOE Epic Arc every 90 days or so to keep my standing up. I used to use a Bellicose and it is an excellent ship - highly recommended. I now fly a Worm for the Arc and for running anomalies. You can watch JonnyPew run DED sites in a Worm here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLsthVSj0q0 This is shiny and high skill but gives you an idea of what the ship is capable of. However you look at it - the Worm is a lot of fun to fly.

Gila has a 500% bonus to both hitpoints and damage for drones. With fairly modest skills I have a cap stable fit with over 700dps, 50K ehp and 325 dps passive regen. I sold my Rattlesnake and now use the Gila for level 4 missions.

NPC rats will attack you drones and standard issue don't have a lot of hitpoints - that 500% bonus makes a big difference. Like having a pair of assault frigates in your drone bay!

I don't recommend you buy one of these until you can afford to lose it but, if you like drones, put them on your wishlist!
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-08-07 15:24:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vendraen
Pax Deltari wrote:
No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones.


I don't even have enough standing with anyone for L2 missions yet, so I don't need T2 drones yet.

We don't actually disagree, we just define "suck" differently. I would call "suck" something like only having Drones I and none of the support skills. :D
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-08-07 15:25:19 UTC
Do Little wrote:
I don't recommend you buy one of these until you can afford to lose it but, if you like drones, put them on your wishlist!


They are on said list, it's just a long way off so I'd rather focus on near term.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#27 - 2015-08-07 15:53:28 UTC
T2 light drones is a 4 day train and well worth it. Your other skills at 3 are OK for now. I'd take navigation and sharpshooting to 4 - that's less than 2 days and gives a useful boost to speed and accuracy - meaning they deal more damage and take less.

You're also going to want hull upgrades and weapon upgrades to level 4 - will let you fit Damage Control Unit 2 and T2 weapon upgrades like Ballistic Control 2 and Drone Damage Amplifier 2. Your shield skills will already let you fit a T2 tank.

Pick a faction, run the career missions: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tutorials_-_Opportunities_and_Career_Agents_in_EVE_Online

and the SOE Epic Arc: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

you will have enough standing to run level 2 missions and will likely only need 1 storyline to get level 3
Silver Grab
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-08-07 17:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Silver Grab
I am sorry, but Gila is the way to go. Get a plex if you have to but get a gila... just sitting in the ship is almost guaranteed 400+ dps with 2 drones.

Gallente ship you would have to have about 5 million SP to reach that... exageration but close enough. Vexor for instance would have equivelant drone damage but the bonus is tied to skill rather than hull. This means that you would have to train gallente cruiser to 5 to reach the same damage that gila gets for just sitting in the ship. That is over 23 days training time difference to get equivalent dps. And that does not take into accunt the skill bonus for missiles that gila gets that improves its possible damage over anything the Vexor could do. Then take that and top it off with the caldari skill bonus and at level 4 caldari cruiser (about a 4 day train from 1 to 4) enjoy 16 to 20% more resists across the board (cant remember whether the bonus is 4% or 5% per level).

Secondly, the gila can hold 10 medium drones in its bay. Yes it can only fly 2 at a time but that means you have 5 full flights of drones ready to go. Carry all 4 drone types and you can send out whichever type you need to match the resistance hole of the enemy rats.

The 2 drones are just ridiculous. on a worm the 2 drones regularly do wrecking shots above 800 dmg each. gila I have gotten 1800 to 2000 shots and on my rattlesnake with a gecko the biggest hit is has done is 4994 dmg in a single shot.

The role bonus doesnt require anything but for you to sit in the ship and the ship will grow with you.


Buy the one ship.... do level 1 up to level 4 missions in it, do exploration, move to null. You can do anything in the damn ship.

This ship is terribly OP for a noob... a 1 week old player could be in the gila with 400 to 500 dps that grows as you improve your skills.

Honestly, in my opinion the gila is better for noobs and the gallente ships cannot touch them until you reach gallente cruiser 5. That is just to nearly match them. to surpass them would be something like the ishtar which would require about 3 months of training to even fly it, and costs about the same as the gila.
Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-08-07 18:43:10 UTC
Vendraen wrote:
Pax Deltari wrote:
No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones.


I don't even have enough standing with anyone for L2 missions yet, so I don't need T2 drones yet.

We don't actually disagree, we just define "suck" differently. I would call "suck" something like only having Drones I and none of the support skills. :D


Ignore the person speaking above who told you to get a plex to buy the gila. That is really bad advice.

Let me restart.

I apologize for what I said earlier. I did not understand that you were doing level one missions my perspective for mid and low level PvE is very different from yours and I forgot about that. In fact I thought you were doing Level 3 and Level 4 missions and my advice was geared towards that. I would bet you definitely dont have the money for a GILA and you definitely don't have the money for a pirate worm. So let's go back a little bit.

A drone boat for running level one missions effectively? You're going to want either a Tristan or an Algos. They are both "Drone" ships that are very effective for running missions. In fact the Algos can do many L2 missions as well with a proper fitting. Not to mention that skilling down the Drone tree with the Algos will set you up perfectly for the Vexor which is the signature Drone Cruiser which can completely demolish L2 missions and even some L3 and Null sec missions/sites. Then you follow the path Tristan -> Algos -> Vexor -> Myrm -> Dominix/Ishtar/VNI

After you master those ships you'll be able to move on AND afford to buy ships like the Gila, Rattlesnake, and other "High" level ships. So what is the next step you should take? Well deciding if you want to start with the Algos or the Tristan and fitting it up correctly. Its a very easy ship to fit and I'll post a fit for you below. If require any other help or have other questions feel free to Eve mail me or just continue posting in this forum thread.

[Tristan, Tristan fit] - Easy Tristan fit that is really cheap and would work for level one missions. Just orbit the bad guys at about 7 kilometers and shoot them with your guns and drones!

Small Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Damage Control I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I

Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I
1MN Afterburner I

125mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge S
125mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge S
[Empty High slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I

Hobgoblin I x5

[Algos, Algos fit] - Simple Algos Fit. Honestly I would recommend the Tristan. You'll only be using these fits for a few days until you're able to get into the Vexor cruiser. That's when the fun really starts!

Type-D Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil

Medium Neutron Saturation Injector I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
[Empty High slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead I x2
Hobgoblin I x3


Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-08-07 18:44:29 UTC
Silver Grab wrote:

to surpass the gila would be something like the ishtar which would require about 3 months of training to even fly it, and costs about the same as the gila.


Lol Ishtar surpasses the Gila. That's a good one mate. Cute indeed.
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-08-07 19:24:21 UTC
Pax Deltari wrote:

Ignore the person speaking above who told you to get a plex to buy the gila. That is really bad advice.

Let me restart.

I apologize for what I said earlier. I did not understand that you were doing level one missions my perspective for mid and low level PvE is very different from yours and I forgot about that. In fact I thought you were doing Level 3 and Level 4 missions and my advice was geared towards that. I would bet you definitely dont have the money for a GILA and you definitely don't have the money for a pirate worm. So let's go back a little bit.


I can get a Vexor pretty soon, yeah, and like the look of it on paper.

Just need a couple extra skills for it but those are easy.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#32 - 2015-08-08 01:25:40 UTC
Vendraen wrote:
I know. But the cost differential between the pirate ships and ships with larger drone bays is huge - I don't think it works out in a purely monetary tradeoff. You can just use MOAR DRONES on a cheaper ship. There's no benefit in being able to use a smaller number of drones, is there?

If all you are looking at is the drones then there is little reason to use a Worm over any other drones oriented frigate especially when ISK is a major factor as it seem like it is for you.

However when you can afford one I would agree with the others, yes the Worm is definiely worth the extra ISK.
Whitelightrr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-08-08 03:33:01 UTC
For now I would reccomend you set up to go the following route:
Algos (Gal Destroyer) > Vexor cruiser

for fitting them throw 1/2/3 drone damage amp 1 in the lows, an AB in the mids. Since you had been training Caldari you have a start on shield tanking which works well for the progression you'll want. For lv1&2 missions fit the above stuff then put a little tank on it since those early missions do not require much tank. The fit from the Algos will transition nicely to the Vexor. for lv3s just starting out dont be afraid to go heavier on the tank, until you get a feel for the missions/ship.

Run the Algos for lv1&2s while you skill up. By the time you're ready for lv3s or right before it you should be skilled into a Vexor which will do 2s&3 fine, but remember to take it easy in the first few lv3s. Especially if its the first time you bring out the Vexor.

Then ~2 months down the road you can pick the next step:
Battleship- Dominix
Cruiser - Gila
or a HAC - Ishtar

Given what you have trained so far the Gila fits in better, but the drones+shields+etc will transition well into all 3 ships.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#34 - 2015-08-08 04:40:48 UTC
Don't stress it too much when it comes to the T2 drones anyways. You kind of want your support skills beefed up a bit before you go all willy nilly on them anyways, that way you'll lose them less often. They are kind of expensive for a newer player.
Once you can use them though you will love them long time.

Do resist the urge to purchase the shiny green drones. They perform very nicely, and each have their own advantages. Being kind on the wallet when they pop is not one of them.
Also, people like me who like to pay mission runners visits uninvited tend to home in on anomalous shiny things such as faction drones or named MTU's. They smell like more money than sense, and that's a hard bait to resist.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#35 - 2015-08-08 07:53:33 UTC
Yeah, prolly rattlesnake. In your other thread you said missiles and missions etc (this isn't really cov-ops). There are a few ok drone boats in Caldari as you work your way up. You just don't get the heavy drone bonus on your way up, but adds to missiles. And really, your drone skills are very low at this point. Personally I really like to use EWAR drones a lot. mixed in anyway, but then 2 out 3 of my characters are Caldari.

Vendraen wrote:
UO - tamer (actually had 4 GM tamers O_O )
Dang dude, before they made it easy? It took me over a year to 7xGM a tamer, from daily power hour (you're first hour you had best chance to raise skills). It really sucked when they nerfed it, then made it so easy it could be GM'ed in days. They really screwed that game up in a lot of ways, especially after AoS it went down hill quickly Sad
bah luck suits and BODs P
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Nnezu
Artificial Memories
#36 - 2015-08-08 10:09:57 UTC
Vendraen wrote:
Pax Deltari wrote:
No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones.


I don't even have enough standing with anyone for L2 missions yet, so I don't need T2 drones yet.

We don't actually disagree, we just define "suck" differently. I would call "suck" something like only having Drones I and none of the support skills. :D


Especially as a newbro, you'd be better off running DED sites in highsec or even look for them in some of the quieter lowsec pockets. The content 2/10s and 3/10s provide can easily be run with an algos/catalyst and unlike missions, you get viable odds at decent payouts (DED sites you scan down got a bunch of mini bosses with oddds to drop loot worth 30mil a piece)

If you're running those in gallente space, you can avoid damage in those sides entirely by keeping around 10-15km away from NPCs, they're that short-ranged ;)
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-08-08 10:13:39 UTC
Webvan wrote:

Vendraen wrote:
UO - tamer (actually had 4 GM tamers O_O )
Dang dude, before they made it easy? It took me over a year to 7xGM a tamer, from daily power hour (you're first hour you had best chance to raise skills). It really sucked when they nerfed it, then made it so easy it could be GM'ed in days.


The first one was before power hour existed, before the Trammel/Felucca split, before everything. It was a pain in the ass but worth it! The others were after the split and once PH was a thing but that was STILL an endurance test getting Taming to GM.

Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-08-08 11:10:03 UTC
No one likes Bellicose, eh?
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#39 - 2015-08-08 11:37:24 UTC
I don't know that I'd call that a drone boat really... I mean it can field 4 mediums, but if you're looking at them as a primary source of damage I'd imagine you would be more interested in something that has a hull bonus for them. It makes a pretty severe difference in their performance on the overall.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Jonas Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-08-08 19:36:47 UTC
Vendraen wrote:
Pax Deltari wrote:
Just actually looked at your EvE board and I see that your drone skills suck and you need to work on those if you want to fly a drone ship.


That's easily fixed.

Thanks for the advice. So you're saying the Gila might be ok? :D



That's a serious understatement! The Gila is capable of running level 4 missions with the right gear and skills!

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