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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2015-08-07 06:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
lord xavier wrote:
1: If CCP pretended to actually listen to the members and not the terrible CSM who do nothing but give terrible agenda based advice.
2: Get rid of the CSM or change it to a 1 nullsec, 1 low sec, 1 high sec member so they can give equal views to issues. Ideally individuals involved in PVE and PVP alliances. Then, when they are done. Get rid of them.

You should actually follow CSM activities sometime. As something that was born as means of PR damage control, they have pretty much no say in what CCP does, best they can do is to organize so-called "round tables" and the like. Do you know about upcoming one on jump fatigue? If not, do inform yourself and take part so that you don't blame CSM for not trying to do what's needed.
Not that CCP have to listen to feedback received, mind you.

lord xavier wrote:
I mean, OP, Brave moved to Aunsou and to be completely honest. Out of all the small fleets I have taken there you guys just play docking games for an hour before we just leave and go find someone else. You have three to FIVE times the number in system we do. Yet you do not undock. YOUR alliance is part of this inactivity bug. You are not the cause for alot or it, or even 5% of it, but you are part of the problem with never undocking and playing the game. Never trying to do fleets except when it is to take a moon or asset of some kind. Never wanting to fight.

It's very funny that you proceed to crash blame train into Brave house even though it's alliance that allowed everyone to farm them for kills for months by undocking into fights already lost. So excuse them that they actually started to value their time and don't burn out themselves farming stuff just so that others could kill it, I suppose.

Sister MaryElephant wrote:
3-The blather from much of the player base is offensive, selfish, and pathetic. The general tone of players has changed......it is sad to see that the rot of external influences has spread so widely....seriously you talk like that outside game to people? Yeah....thought not. I know I am not the only one who feels that way.

Thankfully, it's mostly just EVE-O. And maybe some bitter people. Like myself sometimes Sad

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Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#42 - 2015-08-07 07:56:58 UTC
They simply have to change the EULA so that you may only unsubscribe when you present another player to take your place. Like in a pyramid sales scheme. This way the number of accounts would always rise and everyone would be happy.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#43 - 2015-08-07 09:05:43 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:

We ALL KNOW vets are the lifeblood of this 12year old video game.
We keep it alive.
How can we keep our subs alive?

You could try playing the game instead of spending all day trying to come up with new stupid threads to start.

Mr Epeen Cool


Queue is good for another 15 days.. what did I miss?

R.I.P. Vile Rat
B0RG 0VERLORD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2015-08-07 09:38:42 UTC
Quote:
CSM is a huge joke and should be disbanded tbh.


best comment ever,


opinions only matter when they are your own

Does CCP mean crap coding people
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2015-08-07 09:59:33 UTC
If you are a bittervet and happen to discover you are nonretentive, try a high fiber and protein diet. You'll be so retentive you'll have to scoop it out with a spoon.

hth

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Josef Djugashvilis
#46 - 2015-08-07 13:44:18 UTC
I have been subscribed for just over eight years.

I suppose that some would consider me to be a vet, but I am deninitely not bitter.

The game changes, sometimes I like it sometimes I don't.

Such is Eve, adapt and move on.

This is not a signature.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#47 - 2015-08-07 15:55:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The biggest obstacle to bittervet retention is that the vets are bitter.


Find out why.


Here's a hint: all the new content and features in the world don't make up for an in-game community that has issues. Ever work at a place where the work sucked but the people were great? Or conversely, a place where the job was great but the people sucked? How did you feel when you finally left that job (for any reason)? Which one did you stay at longer? How did you feel while on either job? Much to be learned there.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#48 - 2015-08-07 16:20:03 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The biggest obstacle to bittervet retention is that the vets are bitter.


Find out why.


Here's a hint: all the new content and features in the world don't make up for an in-game community that has issues. Ever work at a place where the work sucked but the people were great? Or conversely, a place where the job was great but the people sucked? How did you feel when you finally left that job (for any reason)? Which one did you stay at longer? How did you feel while on either job? Much to be learned there.


Good thing is that EVE has the best of both worlds, the game rocks (I generally itch to get home and get settled so i can log in) and the community is way above par (anyone who says EVE is bad has NEVER played League of Legends). EVE's community isn't for the politically correct though, it's like a biker bar with spaceships.

Game and Community go hand in hand, and frankly it's dumb as hell to give a company money for making a game you don't like or that attracts a community you don't like.. The real problem is "reformer" types who, rather than F off to a game they actually like with a community that doesn't repulse them, they try to impose their own sense of things. That drives me crazy.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#49 - 2015-08-07 16:31:21 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
and its a CAM thread, what did you expect i was going to pull a silver bullet out my behind so he can get the credit? HA!


I kind of expected you to pinch the bridge of your nose until you looked like Owen Wilson..



yea i do that a lot when i read CAM threads. its better then slamming my head in to the desk.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-08-07 16:35:47 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The biggest obstacle to bittervet retention is that the vets are bitter.


Find out why.


Here's a hint: all the new content and features in the world don't make up for an in-game community that has issues. Ever work at a place where the work sucked but the people were great? Or conversely, a place where the job was great but the people sucked? How did you feel when you finally left that job (for any reason)? Which one did you stay at longer? How did you feel while on either job? Much to be learned there.


Good thing is that EVE has the best of both worlds, the game rocks (I generally itch to get home and get settled so i can log in) and the community is way above par (anyone who says EVE is bad has NEVER played League of Legends). EVE's community isn't for the politically correct though, it's like a biker bar with spaceships.

Game and Community go hand in hand, and frankly it's dumb as hell to give a company money for making a game you don't like or that attracts a community you don't like.. The real problem is "reformer" types who, rather than F off to a game they actually like with a community that doesn't repulse them, they try to impose their own sense of things. That drives me crazy.


That is the real issue with bitter vets. If they are bitter, they should of quit in the first place. Even if they play "for free", I really can't imagine myself grinding any amount of time to play a game I dislike...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#51 - 2015-08-07 17:15:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The biggest obstacle to bittervet retention is that the vets are bitter.


Find out why.


Here's a hint: all the new content and features in the world don't make up for an in-game community that has issues. Ever work at a place where the work sucked but the people were great? Or conversely, a place where the job was great but the people sucked? How did you feel when you finally left that job (for any reason)? Which one did you stay at longer? How did you feel while on either job? Much to be learned there.


Good thing is that EVE has the best of both worlds, the game rocks (I generally itch to get home and get settled so i can log in) and the community is way above par (anyone who says EVE is bad has NEVER played League of Legends). EVE's community isn't for the politically correct though, it's like a biker bar with spaceships.

Game and Community go hand in hand, and frankly it's dumb as hell to give a company money for making a game you don't like or that attracts a community you don't like.. The real problem is "reformer" types who, rather than F off to a game they actually like with a community that doesn't repulse them, they try to impose their own sense of things. That drives me crazy.




You log in?
And TEST? You are in TEST? C'mon now. And you just lectured me. I should laugh and cry at the same time. Smile

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#52 - 2015-08-07 18:18:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The biggest obstacle to bittervet retention is that the vets are bitter.


Find out why.


Here's a hint: all the new content and features in the world don't make up for an in-game community that has issues. Ever work at a place where the work sucked but the people were great? Or conversely, a place where the job was great but the people sucked? How did you feel when you finally left that job (for any reason)? Which one did you stay at longer? How did you feel while on either job? Much to be learned there.


Good thing is that EVE has the best of both worlds, the game rocks (I generally itch to get home and get settled so i can log in) and the community is way above par (anyone who says EVE is bad has NEVER played League of Legends). EVE's community isn't for the politically correct though, it's like a biker bar with spaceships.

Game and Community go hand in hand, and frankly it's dumb as hell to give a company money for making a game you don't like or that attracts a community you don't like.. The real problem is "reformer" types who, rather than F off to a game they actually like with a community that doesn't repulse them, they try to impose their own sense of things. That drives me crazy.




You log in?
And TEST? You are in TEST? C'mon now. And you just lectured me. I should laugh and cry at the same time. Smile


Since I'm getting killed a lot, yes I log in, do you?

And What does TEST have to do with anything? "TEST" isn't paying for a game that it doesn't like (the community is part of the game), Herzog Wolfhammer is. Why, exactly, is that?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#53 - 2015-08-07 18:21:11 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:


That is the real issue with bitter vets. If they are bitter, they should of quit in the first place. Even if they play "for free", I really can't imagine myself grinding any amount of time to play a game I dislike...


That just makes you sane lol. I actually don't think 'bitter vets' exist, it's a made up tag in a made up world.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-08-07 18:31:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The biggest obstacle to bittervet retention is that the vets are bitter.


Find out why.


Here's a hint: all the new content and features in the world don't make up for an in-game community that has issues. Ever work at a place where the work sucked but the people were great? Or conversely, a place where the job was great but the people sucked? How did you feel when you finally left that job (for any reason)? Which one did you stay at longer? How did you feel while on either job? Much to be learned there.


Good thing is that EVE has the best of both worlds, the game rocks (I generally itch to get home and get settled so i can log in) and the community is way above par (anyone who says EVE is bad has NEVER played League of Legends). EVE's community isn't for the politically correct though, it's like a biker bar with spaceships.

Game and Community go hand in hand, and frankly it's dumb as hell to give a company money for making a game you don't like or that attracts a community you don't like.. The real problem is "reformer" types who, rather than F off to a game they actually like with a community that doesn't repulse them, they try to impose their own sense of things. That drives me crazy.



That is awesome. I am truly happy for you that your standards are so low.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#55 - 2015-08-07 18:37:43 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:



That is awesome. I am truly happy for you that your standards are so low.


I pay for a game I like and playing with a community I like and somehow that's wrong...as said by people who don't like those things but still pay anyway?

Seriously (no internet guy Bullshit, I'm asking man to man), WTF is wrong with you people?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#56 - 2015-08-07 18:40:22 UTC
I had a good bittervet quote one that was then used in someone's signature, but now I can't find it… Oops
Mag's
Azn Empire
#57 - 2015-08-07 18:45:35 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
That is awesome. I am truly happy for you that your standards are so low.
At least Jenn has standards. Blink

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Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#58 - 2015-08-07 18:59:55 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:



That is awesome. I am truly happy for you that your standards are so low.


I pay for a game I like and playing with a community I like and somehow that's wrong...as said by people who don't like those things but still pay anyway?

Seriously (no internet guy Bullshit, I'm asking man to man), WTF is wrong with you people?


Being that which has no alternative and that which is great are two completely different things.

So, no internet guy bullshit... what is so great about a game you yourself constantly post about the need to fix?

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#59 - 2015-08-07 19:00:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The biggest obstacle to bittervet retention is that the vets are bitter.


Find out why.


Here's a hint: all the new content and features in the world don't make up for an in-game community that has issues. Ever work at a place where the work sucked but the people were great? Or conversely, a place where the job was great but the people sucked? How did you feel when you finally left that job (for any reason)? Which one did you stay at longer? How did you feel while on either job? Much to be learned there.


Good thing is that EVE has the best of both worlds, the game rocks (I generally itch to get home and get settled so i can log in) and the community is way above par (anyone who says EVE is bad has NEVER played League of Legends). EVE's community isn't for the politically correct though, it's like a biker bar with spaceships.

Game and Community go hand in hand, and frankly it's dumb as hell to give a company money for making a game you don't like or that attracts a community you don't like.. The real problem is "reformer" types who, rather than F off to a game they actually like with a community that doesn't repulse them, they try to impose their own sense of things. That drives me crazy.




You log in?
And TEST? You are in TEST? C'mon now. And you just lectured me. I should laugh and cry at the same time. Smile


Since I'm getting killed a lot, yes I log in, do you?

And What does TEST have to do with anything? "TEST" isn't paying for a game that it doesn't like (the community is part of the game), Herzog Wolfhammer is. Why, exactly, is that?



Never said I didn't like the game. I'm also immune to crappy workplaces, and people.

But most people won't play a game they don't like. And they are not here to troll like you do. It's like those #JusticeFor campaigns on social media, some kid who got killed, or a lion perhaps. Because they are gone and they won't be getting anything let alone justice.

So the people who didn't like the game and left are not "getting" anything here nor are they here to complain about it. They voted with their wallets and their feet (the kinds of votes that ever make any difference, in any topic, at any time).

Most of the bittervet complaints about the game changing are usually the self-aggrandizing "hurr durr the game is too easy now" screed from the troll or griefer made on their way out the door as to have a final say for their own sense of self importance. But the others, and I have known a lot of them, didn't say a word.

I'm still here because I like science fiction. The only time I ever threatened someone was back when a friend called me during the season opener for STTNG episode that concluded the previous season finale episode where Picard was kidnapped and assimilated by the Borg. I actually said "nobody call me between 8 and 9 PM this Saturday or I will rain unholy wrath upon you". And my phone rang and I just picked it up and said "you are going to die tonight" and hung up. I still don't know who called. P

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#60 - 2015-08-07 19:00:48 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:



That is awesome. I am truly happy for you that your standards are so low.


I pay for a game I like and playing with a community I like and somehow that's wrong...as said by people who don't like those things but still pay anyway?

Seriously (no internet guy Bullshit, I'm asking man to man), WTF is wrong with you people?


Being that which has no alternative and that which is great are two completely different things.

So, no internet guy bullshit... what is so great about a game you yourself constantly post about the need to fix?


How about the myriad things that DON'T need fixing? They might make it great, I dunno.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.