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Proteus PVE (cheap)

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Vixorz
Cabronazos
#1 - 2012-01-02 04:03:13 UTC
Hey o/

I'm about to be able to board the Proteus, so i was playing with EveHQ fitter to set up a LVL4 Proteus, and came with this:


[Proteus, Proteus Blasters 2Rep+AFT Capstable]

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Any suggestions? (About this ship only... don't tell me to go Tengu, Domi or anything else :P)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2012-01-02 04:11:23 UTC
You gonna be SLOW on your way to your targets.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2012-01-02 05:34:56 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
You gonna be SLOW on your way to your targets.


Not empty quoting.
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#4 - 2012-01-02 05:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: McRoll
try this:

[Proteus, pve]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot] <------ mission specific hardeners

10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Offensive - Dissonic Encoding Platform
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors



No drones, therefore tracking offensive subsystem, tracking comp and webber. Should do the trick, has more range and (applied) damage. Hard on cap though, fly at own risk :)

Edit: Save some coins for a faction med repper and replace the other with additional hardener- this way you use less cap if you are too uncomfortable with dual repper and use speed tanking excessively.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#5 - 2012-01-02 05:48:43 UTC
Since the above wants you to put Rails on, I'll suggest how to make a blaster fit.

Switch your AB for a moderately deadspaced MWD (for Cap) and pulse it to close range.


But the Proteus isn't exactly easy to make work well for PvE.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Arushia
Nova Labs
Stainless Steel Orkz
#6 - 2012-01-02 07:16:31 UTC
The best PVE Proteus fit I could come up with ended up a weak attempt to do the Ishtar's thing. It has advantages in tank and secondary capabilities, but still suffers from lack of a 5th drone:

[Proteus, Almost Ishtar]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M
Salvager II
Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Ogre II x4
Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x2
Hobgoblin II x5
Liam Mirren
#7 - 2012-01-02 07:20:58 UTC
Honestly, a Proteus for doing lvl 4s just isn't ideal, it can be fun to do ofcourse (MWD/Blaster fit) but if you do missions for income then you're much better off using something different.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-02 09:35:06 UTC
How you fit a Proteus depends greatly on your skill/experience level and the enemies you intend to fight, the key is to have some set fits and change them to match the enemies/mission. It also depends on whether you have other mission ships to fall back on. I currently have a Proteus, Ishtar and Hype, I use the Proteus in Kin/therm missions where it is faster and more fun to fly, The Ishtar for Angels/Amarr, and the Hype for some single pocket missions such as Surprise Surprise (webbing towers).

Given that you have an omni tank if you are reluctant to switch out hardeners now then you may struggle to be efficient. Also your tank versus Angels is a bit weak given you are running dual reps.

That said you have picked a safe option with some of the right subs to start with and you can progress from there, taking tank of and running a cap unstable build takes time and experience,

Replace the Augmented plating with the Nanobot injector; if you do nothing else do this.

Eventually you will want to drop the second rep and switch to the power core sub for six guns. The only time you really need two reps is for Angel missions with a lot of DPS (I still use my Ishtar normally) as for immediate changes I would fit faction specific hardeners instead of the EANM2 and fit a tracking enhancer in place of the damage control. A microwarpdrive becomes much more efficient in certain missions, some missions though rats are nicely spaced and the speed/sig tank an afterburner provides is very handy.

As an example this is my Serpentis Mission runner ( I did not start with this build) I can run any Serpentis mission in very good time and rarely need the cap booster. I feel that Fed Navy/Null are useful ammos to use to pop frigs on approach and void good for tackling groups of battleships/battlecruisers. I never need a web and do not switch off the microwarpdrive unless I really manage to screw up transversal, pulse the tank as needed. If I want to run the mercenary missions such as damsel then I may fit a web (for the webifier drones) and an explosive hardener.

With implants stats as follows

1600m/s
396 DPS tank versus Serpentis

DPS including drones
Void 1203 (4.8km+9.4km)
Fed Navy 1095 (3.2km+19km
Null 905 (7.9km+24km)

[Proteus, Serpentis]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Centum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vixorz
Cabronazos
#9 - 2012-01-02 10:20:35 UTC
Thank you all very much, specially you Alticus C Bear ;)

I don't like to run missions, i get bored soon. So when i run them i like to have things to do, i like to actually have to fly the ship myself :P

I think, despite all the comments about Proteus not being ideal for PVE, i'll give it a try. I really want to try T3 ships :P
I'll add a MWD and change the tank as needed. Will take into consideration Alticus words and fit.

Thanks again.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-01-02 12:06:07 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Since the above wants you to put Rails on, I'll suggest how to make a blaster fit.

Switch your AB for a moderately deadspaced MWD (for Cap) and pulse it to close range.


But the Proteus isn't exactly easy to make work well for PvE.


Well, depends if you're masochist or not Lol

I'd say normal person would quickly use some Domi or Thron instead, hell even blaster-thron.

The masochist? -he will pick the Proteus, will not train the offensive sub up to 5, will not use TE's because blasters could shoot too far and would not use RT's or faction Rep.

...
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-01-02 23:17:54 UTC
You either go

1)AB+Sentrys/Rails

2)MWD+Blasters
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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-01-03 12:54:18 UTC
Vixorz wrote:
Thank you all very much, specially you Alticus C Bear ;)

I don't like to run missions, i get bored soon. So when i run them i like to have things to do, i like to actually have to fly the ship myself :P

I think, despite all the comments about Proteus not being ideal for PVE, i'll give it a try. I really want to try T3 ships :P
I'll add a MWD and change the tank as needed. Will take into consideration Alticus words and fit.

Thanks again.



Well if you're really that bored doing missions you can always do them in a rifter Lol
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#13 - 2012-01-03 13:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcathra
This are the two variants I use for flying Level 4 Missions. Works pretty well. Not as fast as a Tengu or a Marauder, but sufficient and I have a lot of fun flying the Proteus in missions.

Use mission specific hardeners. With two explosive hardeners I can fly every level 4 mission with Angel pirates. The Railgun setup is a bit slow killing the enemies, but it can sniper frigs and helps in many missions with webbers. The Blaster setup deals a lot of damage but I recommend to use a MWD to get into the fray as fast as possible. Of course you can also use an afterburner if you prefer.
You can even pimp them in multiple ways. Use Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizers or use T2 ammunition. Maybe drop a CCC rig in favor of a damage rig if you don't need to be cap stable. For more tank get a deadspace armor repairer.


[Proteus, Rails]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
XXX Armor Hardener II
XXX Armor Hardener II
True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer

10 MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5



[Proteus, Blaster]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
XXX Armor Hardener II
XXX Armor Hardener II
True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer

Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Edit: I've postet the fitting out of my memory, but I hope I didn't forget anything important.
Blake Walan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-01-03 13:31:17 UTC
Vixorz wrote:
Hey o/

I'm about to be able to board the Proteus, so i was playing with EveHQ fitter to set up a LVL4 Proteus, and came with this:


[Proteus, Proteus Blasters 2Rep+AFT Capstable]

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Any suggestions? (About this ship only... don't tell me to go Tengu, Domi or anything else :P)




[Proteus, missions]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
[Empty Slot]
[Empty Slot] <--- Mission specific hardners
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hammerhead II x5

This is what ive used quite a bit for missions.. its flys through them pretty decently, if you want blitz, swap web for cap rechargers and swap ab for mwd
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2012-01-03 14:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
The Proteus is a bad ship for PvE. The only upside is that you can decide what kind of disadvantage you want to have:

Blasters — you lose time chasing the targets down (and you might as well use a blinged-out Deimos for half the cost).
Rails — you lose time shooting the targets due to low damage.
Drones — you lose time shooting the targets due to low damage (and an Ishtar is better in every way).

…oh, and being a T3, it automatically fails at being cheap compared to the alternatives, and the additional cost doesn't buy you any sort of advantage.

Just get an Ishtar. It's cheaper and quicker and its only (potential) additional requirement is that you have sentry drones.
Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#16 - 2012-01-03 14:19:05 UTC
All anyone needed to say to answer your thread is... don't waste your isk.

The proteus is terrible for PvE and the more isk you throw at it to try and make it good the more isk you are wasting because even with a full officer fit it will still be lolworthy...

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#17 - 2012-01-03 14:49:50 UTC
Strange, for me it performs very well. Yes, it has its disadvantages but it works well. Not as efficient as other ships, that is true. But hey, more fun than idling around in a Tengu and hammering F1 looking bored at your screen Big smile.

Blasters - the lost time isn't that much if you use a MWD.
Rails - combined with your drones the damage isn't that bad and is enough for anything you might encounter. But yes, I would recommend the Blaster fit for missions with lots of battleships (eg Blockade).
Drones - wouldn't use them as primary weapon system with the Proteus, too.

I honestly don't think that a Deimos or Ishtar performs better. Much lower tank, much more dangerous to fly level 4s with them. But if you have some nice fittings that could work, I would be interested to test them.
Some players just like to go against the tide and are pleased with their ships and their performance.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2012-01-03 16:04:41 UTC
Arcathra wrote:
I honestly don't think that a Deimos or Ishtar performs better. Much lower tank, much more dangerous to fly level 4s with them. But if you have some nice fittings that could work, I would be interested to test them.
The Ishtar can tank L5s and 10/10 complexes, and inherently does more damage than the equivalent Proteus (and at longer ranges). So not only does it tank better, it does more damage by default. The only way for the Proteus to do more damage than the Ishtar is to blaster fit it, but at that point, it will still do less damage over time due to the range issues. And I'm not even sure it's possible to get the same tank out of it as you can with an Ishtar.

Put another way: the Ishtar is one of the best sub-BS mission boats in the game. The Proteus is… ehm… not.

The Deimos might be a close case, but considering how much you can put on it before you even begin to approach the price level of just the bare Proteus hull, it'll come out ahead as well.

Oh, and yes, even with MWDs you're losing an awful lot of time scooting from one ship to the next.
stoicfaux
#19 - 2012-01-03 16:34:41 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Cap stable. pyfa says that the Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer runs just ~40M isk, so I would splurge and get one. pfya costs: 260M for ship, 289M fittings, 549M total.

The 2x webs to drop the target to 19.1% of its speed, which will noticeably reduce tracking issues, especially when you overshoot at 1,600 m/s. (But it does take time for the target to slow down from the webs.) The webs also help the drones against smaller targets.

[Proteus, Blasters]

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Capacitor Power Relay II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#20 - 2012-01-03 16:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcathra
Hm, maybe I should have a look at the Ishtar. Never thought much about the ship.
I dabbled a bit with some Daimos fittings. I've never got a tank that is that good as on my Proteus with it. The damage is comparable I think.

But please, just because the Proteus isn't the best ship for missions it isn't bad. It's a matter of perspective. I like it that way *shrugs*.
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