EVE General Discussion

Point to me any single place I said they did? Can you?

Edit, you can't.

So what have we learned. Today I PvE'd, and I still think it is amusing the the biggest criers are the griefers. So what's changed? Absolutely nothing. On that note, I'm off to bed.

Toodles and happy new year ;)

perception is everything here.

there are a lot of statements attached to eve that are the lore of EvE:

Dont fly what you cant afford to lose
if its too good to be true it is
everything in eve is pvp

so then add to that:

if you join a player corp you declare yourself ready for spaceship pvp. It really needs a game dev or someone to come out and say "actually player corps in some cases are not meant to be counted as ready for pvp." at which point everyone knows where they stand. As of right now the bolded statement is held as the truth.

griefing does not exist in eve except in starter systems in terms of ship pvp. Again, someone would have to come out and say "here is our definition of griefing" (maybe it already exists). Until that point the bolded statement is generally accepted as truth.

what it really needs is someone with the balls to come out and say it because until that point you have a large group of players that feel like they are being lied to/badly supported.

I deeply worry about the NullSM and its influence on high sec war decs. I would go one farther and say that although I was never in the privateers the original "dec everyone" idea was amazing.

This topic has gone on long enough. It is nothing but a hatefest now.

If you have ideas about how to fix Wardecs you ought to post it in the F&I forum.

Requesting lock as

A) CCP made their decision and most likely wont be influenced by this topic as opposed to finding a good system to replace the current one.

B) This is not an idea topic.

Look how dumb you are, you don't even know what PVP means in Eve, yet you keep on lecturing and snubbing others on the forums. The "versus" in PlayerVersusPlayer means you do something in opposition or against a player, it has an antagonistic element, it usually refers to a collision of two opponents (e.g. x versus y in boxing or court proceedings). So no, simple player to player interaction like killing NPCs and selling their stuff on the market, is NOT PVP. Stop correcting people when it's you who is wrong.
But i understand why you want to call your carebearism "PVP": this way you can act here on the forums like a big PVP "connoisseur" (which you regularly do), despite of having only 38 lifetime kills since 2007 (according to killoboard).
And when people ask you for your PVP experience you can then say "oh but I was PVPing today in my Raven by killing that Gurista Pirate rats and even won a 30v1 fight, i'm such a PVP pro !!!"

No i didn't miss that, read my post again, the economic interaction between players is included in it. But this kind of interaction can not be called PVP, for the reasons i've given above. As for my KB stats: they are irrelevant since i don't try to teach people on the forums about PVP, like the person in question does, i even don't see myself as PVPer. As for the alts: why is that smartass not posting with his main then, if Tippia is his alt ? Yes sure, this is my alt too, my other two characters are Chribba and Shrike.

If you'd read the conversation, Tippia and I are the ones trying to get this WarDec change retracted. So calling Tippia out for carebearism doesn't make much sense.

As for alts. Say I'm an industrialist and make a name on the forums with that toon. Then I make a Pew alt. I post with my main, but my main doesn't do any Pew and thus doesn't get any kills. Doesn't mean I don't (as a person) pew or know how to pew.

Wow! are you really THAT ********? I honestly didn't think people could actually be that thick, shocker. Do you honestly think by you running to a corp tell tailing like a little kiddiewink would to their mummy and daddy, a corp that I've been in no more than a couple of days would actually offend or even upset me in the slightest? For your information, I doubt very much you actually got me kicked, It might even have something to do with me telling the ceo (Actually, not sure who he is) that he has double standards and unprofessional. though, realistically it probably had something to do with the fact I abused the CEO for not understanding his own rules and telling him to remove me rather than suspending me while they check out the posts, I can show you the mail if you wish ;). (The short version, rules state that they can't post in the corporation section..which, this is not) and me telling him I WILL continue to post.

So while I picture you there, sat behind your computer screen eating cheetos sniggering to yourself with a bit of drool being sucked back up into your mouth and a cheese stained T-shirt, the only thing you did for me was actually doing me a favor, because no way would I stay in a corp which demands players from posting, since that ain't ever going to happen, add that to the fact I found the majority of them in my short stay ignorant (By no means ALL, there were a couple nice people) and the fact the only "event" I did with them was some low sec roam with about 40 of us that had to run away from a couple of hurricanes through a bunch of jump gates with our tails between our legs rather than engage or the fact that my first day some people were talking in chat how none of the directors are ever online and it's pretty much just noobs teaching noobs (Can't be sure how true that is except for the fact the only officer I saw in my short time there was the guy who invited me, who was actually unsure of a certain rule himself which I asked about, telling me that rigging T2 rigs was encouraged in wartime when it clearly states on the Wsop they aren't..still, for people to say that must at least have SOME merit to it), or even the fact a day after I joined they went to war and basically told us no one could undock unless following a bunch of out of date rules (I can see why they are in place, but as argued on their forum, they're pretty much obsolete)...actually, I could give a huge great list with the only upside was that I met like 3 actually decent people, all which I've not seen since the war anyway. So, while they may or may not be a decent enough corp, it was most certainly not one for me, hence why I told him to remove me.

So aside from making me think you're one of those drooling suck ups you only did me a favor, so perhaps I should be thanking you, backfired a bit for you though so good job ;)



Yes, you're definitely a suck up lol. Happy new year :O

Oh an by all means, please do feel free to war dec them, that's "really" going to annoy me lol!!

Edited for failage quoting :(

This.

The current war dec mechanics reminds me of the old "turn on pvp" option - i.e Only those that choose to turn on "pvp mode" can or will pvp. There are ENDLESS mmo's out there with rich PVE content and optional PVP. Turning EVE into another of those game is a terrible mistake. EVE is different. It must be different to survive.

Another few threads about wardecs posted in features and ideas are worth checking out.

Moving off topic



Cool story bro.



I can handle arguments, rage, tears and whines with a degree of aplomb but claiming I told on you to carebear uni is a bit low. The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all f***** to death by space robo donkeys.

(before the report post spam starts it is in game I want eve university members to be f***** to death by space robo donkeys, I dont want them f***** to death by space robo donkeys in real life )

Depends on how you gauge griefing. In terms of the EULA and harassment it has to be very clear cut and extreme cases as CCP is a business. However, there are a lot of grey areas.

Griefing much like trolling is done when some pathetic little creature uses a mechanic in a game to deliberately sabotage the playing of another gamer with the purpose of obtaining an emotional response. They make no gain within the game and they usually feel a little more significant and in control of their screwed up lives. Sadly, since this all occurs in the game, it does nothing to fix the roots of their problems, so they continually perpetuate this activity in order to get another "fix."