Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So empowering bots even further over humans is good because we did something, no matter how ill conceived? You seem to have completely lost sight of the single good reason to take action against bots: preservation of a positive user experience for rule biding players.

Your idea accomplishes neither the elimination of bots or an improvement for legitimate payers. Rather the opposite. It cripples human players making botting seem more advantageous.

We should do nothing mechanically save that which aids in the detection of bots while remaining transparent to real players.

Why on earth would CCP add a mechanic against bots, best suited for bots to bypass?

You could just accept it was a bad idea, nothing new and ill suited for the job. The only ego I'm seeing here atm, is yours tbh.

What's wrong with detecting and banning again?

There are a lot of good reasons to deal with bots - because they erode the need for real people. You might not remember 2009 but I do. I basically got told that I wasn't worth a damn until I had over 3mil SP. And the reason for that was competition with bots (not to mention the ridiculous training skills).

Detection of bots and the affirmative action to destroy them are two different things. My proposal to the market change was not specifically aimed bots - it's a realistic response to a patently ridiculous and unrealistic market system. I'm going to require someone to show me where in real life an analogue to that exists because I've never heard of one. Don't say stock markets, that's a derivative.

CCP makes money fundamentally in two ways; subscriptions and PLEX. If you want to be a complete cynic then you could say that they won't deal with all bots all the time because eroding a new players relative income level and pushing them in to buying PLEX to catch up means you double up on the income for that new player.

That's a very real and plausible scenario because let's face it, with an 8% player retention rate its not like burning newbies for every $ they're worth before they get fed up and leave is a bad business practice since the overwhelming majority will just quit outright anyway.

Seriously try and explain to someone who has never seen the game before how to play and what to do. Try it sometime, it's a real eye opener.

Bots are symptom of the disease. They're not the actual root problem.

Increasing your ability to trade is a matter of the same currency: time. Train more skills. Get more open orders, do more market shenanigans.

I'm sure I don't need to spell the rest out for you completely.

The amount of hyperboles in this thread is outstanding. Really puts the EVE players in perspective.

HTFU.

It's a reasonable suggestion. The CAPTHCA doesn't have to be an "enter numbers". New captchas involve player interaction, like turning a wheel or sliding a bar, something bots can't do if the window spawns in slightly random place. It takes next to no time for a player to complete.

If you are threatening to quit EVE on the simple principle that a captcha is adding 2 seconds to your market order changes, this is just another hyperbole and a power trip that you are relying on. Quite frankly, considering how the overview fiasco went, I doubt you words have much leverage over CCP.

P.S. HTFU more.

You really think sliding a bar will add any significant annoyance?

Logging in after downtime must be agonising then. Entering a password, selecting a char and all that. Breaks your back I bet.

INB4 "Yeah but I only have to do it once a day".

Looks like I have to spell it out for you.

Market order fatigue. Level the playing field by restricting the ability of a single individual to monopolize an entire region. Especially if that pillock is using bots to do his dirty work. Make his works untenable.

So, you want to prohibit smaller traders (I usually deal with around 50-100 orders that I update vigorously) to participate?

How about this instead: You monitor your orders, buy stuff from competitors that appear suspicious to you, monitor them a bit more, and report your findings and bot suspicion to CCP? This way, the bot account and associated accounts get banned. Put some effort into the game and not just ridiculousness.