EVE General Discussion

You don't know why someone did something so you ask, and someone else comes along and starts implying things about you instead of awnsering (whilst hiding it in 5 pages of TL:DR for everyone but the OP and troll) related content, so instead of conversing with others he ends up defending against things the troll is saying that aren't true but aren't against the OP and aren't usually inflammatory, so only the OP and the troll know why the OP is so angry, he also has a harder time getting the answer from everyone else because of, then a mod steps in and ends it.

I don't know why you would want to do this but in the end all you are is a good salesperson.

If you want more competition just increase the loot. Demand will then naturally increase competition. You don't need to increase competition first, it will happen simply because of increased loot.

But once hacked the can should just be auto loading into cargo like all other resource gathering. The reason it doesn't is because CCP insist on keeping worthless loot in the can also so people want to be able to leave the worthless stuff behind.
Trying to use ships wrecks is a red herring, since the actual 'resource' shooting a red cross has is an isk bounty. And that can't be stolen. The loot in the wreck and salvage are not primary resources but secondary 'bonus' resources you can get sometimes.

Then why do we have to go through pages of that to get to this? It's just too much effort for a small answer I just don't want to argue anymore. :(

I'm done and content with my answer.

Jesus.
Ok, new question: why do you even ask questions if you're just going to flat out ignore the answers people give you. It has already been explained to you why. You don't really have to assume anything at this point. No, it was not removed because it skewed anything towards the thief.

No. What you're describing is just how you prepare for combat — it has nothing to do with the advantages s-flagging bestow on the injured party.

Funnily enough, doing so would actually create the opportunity for theft you're looking for…

Because you keep refusing to learn and instead just repeat the same uninformed nonsense over and over again.

There is no means to increase HS relic/data loot value without reciprocally increasing the systemic competition/risk of aquiring it.
With increased value, comes increased competition, but that doesnt change the mechanics of who gets the loot, which in relic/data sites is ridiculosuly carefree and inviolable simply for having pressed the analyzer first. Even Miners compete more for the last dregs of a shared asteroid by timing their cycles (and make a ton more isk on ICE alone, which frankly renders in and of itself HS data sites (not to mention relic sites) completely obsolete in terms of profit per time invested. )Salvaging is also another pos profession that sure, while some do it, makes no time/isk sense.

All of this is entirely academic anyways, because the changes roughly congruent with removing loot spew (and theft with s-timer), coincided with the availability of data site loot from other sources, hence undermining the value arbitrarily (which makes sense, cos HS data site hacking was simplified due to 99% of explorers apparently having carpal tunnel syndrome and/or ADHD, hence, less value)

They would have to invent new loot or double the units of them to make data site exploration even remotely profitable compared to other standard HS fair. Try ICE mining. You will cry when you see how much you pull in a single cycle just by clicking the asteroid and picking your nose. You dont even need to search and scan for it. The ICE spawns are clockwork and static.

Furthermore nobody runs sigs for bounty. The loot in the officer wreck is the payoff.
4-650mil in HS. Try that from data sites.
There is not even a point to dropping an MTU onsite to recover the modules from wrecks because a) the module drop rate is down b) the recycle rate is down for minerals off them. Let alone poor salvaging which is like trying to pick chips/mars bar wrappers off the street after kids and trying to make a profit re-selling them.

Nowhere else in EVE, can you simply run up to something, click it, and its yours alone, with no risk or competition, as you can in data/relic sites. Everyone can mine the same asteroid at the same time. Everyone can salvage the same wreck at the same time. Everyone can loot a wreck at the same time. Data/relic sites are somekind of special princess that only the first come can touch. Notthat it is even worth it to bother in HS. Have em. Keep em. Keep clearing sigs off my combat sites there and Im a'ok with that.

HS data/relic sites are crap.
I know this.
OP knows this.
OP just wanted some more excitement and a little bit of flashy bastard action in HS.
Damn him for that if you want, but I sure as hell dont. That goes for you too, Tippia.

Tippia has been "much" better at it than you.


I try to be civil and end the conversation, but no tippia has to keep spreading misinformation without actually giving any information.

You know what this is an ******* abusing a nice person. Telling him a capitalized "i" he typed is an L because a lowercase L and an uppercase "i" look the same..

Edit: Oh it was a joke about ECM. You're still being an *******.
Can an ISD please smack Tippia or something? and yes, people call them ISD's regardless of your Little troLL.


You're also "AGAIN" ignoring the fact combat was at all possible in exploration (relic/data) sites.
http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=129&t=67703#p594687

I get you backed into a corner and you start to be civil, and when I let it go you just start RIGHT back up again.


This is probably why some people are pricks. They expect everyone else to treat them just as badly or be damned and made fun of if they don't.

No risk? T1 Exploration Frigate!
Please go and tell me what the EHP of a T1 Exploration frigate in it's normal exploration fittings is.
Then tell me what DPS is needed to kill said T1 Exploration Frigate in oh, lets say a 0.8 System to be nice to you.
Then tell me what DPS you can get with a sub 5 million ship.

The lack of risk is directly related to the lack of reward. As soon as there is reward, it becomes worth it to gank T1 exploration frigates in high sec which DIRECTLY PROVIDES RISK!

Solution to all of your complaints. Increase reward. It makes Data/Relic sites actually worth doing for income relative to other high sec activities for a start, the fact it's lower means increasing reward will not unbalance the game. And it also means they face risk of death.
Your argument over 'competition for resources' is utterly ridiculous, since there are several nodes in each site and you can compete on finding the site first and racing for each node even if you are in site together. So there is as much competition in the profession as there can be without introducing twitch based mechanics which are BAD.

TLDR version. More reward solves all 'lack' of risk.

LMAO no.
You just gave up, that's all.

You're thoroughly and completely confused now. Just look at the incoherent mess you threw out up there, just because you didn't understand a word of what I said (whereas Salvos apparently did). Granted, it was ever so slightly inside baseball for cyberpunk readers, but just because you didn't get the reference doesn't mean you had to go in and try misconstrue every single word of it.

By the way, being abusive just because you have nothing else to offer will not make me any more “civil”…