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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#161 - 2015-08-06 22:51:01 UTC
It's allright, little red. It is much as expected at this point and if you tried to get a PIE member, not to even mention leadership, to admit that they prefer to keep their hostility with the more dubious elements of their 24th to be on a vocal level only, over possibly having to act on it over their less dubious enemies their heads would explode.

They can't risk pissing off Pyre because that would assuredly lose them the war zone entirely and the gains from any interaction with us that doesn't involve orbiting buttons or opening fire isn't sufficiently tempting.

Especially when they've already gotten to say cooperation was an option but so very unfortunately because of reasons entirely out of their control, surely, it can not be. If nothing else, they know how to spin.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#162 - 2015-08-06 23:01:32 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
We have notified all necessary parties. Again, this is for the best. Just let us do our job and next time Ushra'Khan can lead an operation and do things their way.


I've received no such notification as to who might be likely to shoot me, should I assist. As you've asked for aid in other endeavours, and I can only assume these same individuals would shoot me under those circumstances. I know I'm just a Goon, but it would seem to me that honorable behavior would require that warning about your... friends'... intentions.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#163 - 2015-08-06 23:07:19 UTC
Help was offered, they declined. Where's the issue? Obviously all this has shown is beggers can infact be choosers. People turned away, just remember it next time a crisis happens or really anything that help is requested. Things like, say for instance sansha or drifter incursions can obviously be left in their capable hands and of course, those who's hands aren't too bloodied to be joined to theirs as a united front can and will gladly be extended. Right?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#164 - 2015-08-06 23:09:34 UTC
There's no issue. They are, of course, free to decline assistance. But if they're going to claim that people have been informed of the dangers, then they should actually do so - and they should have it very clearly spelled out just why others may well ignore requests for assistance in the future.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#165 - 2015-08-06 23:12:42 UTC
It's OK, the issues are in capable hands. You have no worries to be burdened with.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#166 - 2015-08-06 23:17:49 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
You have no worries to be burdened with.


If only that were true.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#167 - 2015-08-06 23:18:41 UTC
Nobody said words of comfort had to be.....
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#168 - 2015-08-06 23:33:17 UTC
It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#169 - 2015-08-07 00:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
They can't risk pissing off Pyre because that would assuredly lose them the war zone entirely and the gains from any interaction with us that doesn't involve orbiting buttons or opening fire isn't sufficiently tempting.


Respectfully, and with me speaking as someone with absolutely no authority over anything much, and hopefully not talking out of turn: we've been known to work with the TLF in temporary alliances. I don't think we make any kind of practice of turning on temporary allies.

That's not to say that I'm privy to any negotiations, but ... I'm not at all sure it's us?

I do kind of think Nauplius' work is something our command staff would have trouble taking seriously, though.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#170 - 2015-08-07 01:42:04 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Respectfully, and with me speaking as someone with absolutely no authority over anything much, and hopefully not talking out of turn: we've been known to work with the TLF in temporary alliances. I don't think we make any kind of practice of turning on temporary allies.

That's not to say that I'm privy to any negotiations, but ... I'm not at all sure it's us?

I do kind of think Nauplius' work is something our command staff would have trouble taking seriously, though.


I'd be going to the second muster - I helped out at the first and was looking forward to seeing it through! - but have been asked to not attend, specifically due to the attendance of PYRE. That seems sensible enough to me. I wouldn't want to cause an international incident or something!

I'll instead be setting up a trauma and recovery centre in the 24th Logistics station nearby. Those in the operation will be told where it is. We will be conducting secondary triage in cooperation with the Crusade Medical Corps and will be taking on all brain trauma, head trauma, and severe psychopathy/mental distress cases. Please route all evacuees of this nature to remote hospital LDMT Utuusi.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#171 - 2015-08-07 01:51:03 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Nobody said words of comfort had to be.....


If only that weren't true... Blink
Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#172 - 2015-08-07 01:58:48 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them.

Spoken like a beacon of U'K knowledge. Read up on your history young one.

Scherezad wrote:
[...] will be taking on all brain trauma, head trauma, and severe psychopathy/mental distress cases. [...].

Should the Heretic responsible for all of this madness be apprehended, this may be vital.

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#173 - 2015-08-07 04:09:32 UTC
Ascentior wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them.

Spoken like a beacon of U'K knowledge. Read up on your history young one.

It's your history I was commenting on. I know my history, Gramps.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#174 - 2015-08-07 04:20:43 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them.


I think I am rather safe in saying the every one of the abominable towers this heretic has put up has almost certainly been dealt with by Amarrian task forces.

What constantly vexes me is the willing acceptance to leave the saving of those purported to be 'Your People' to those you so revile. Regardless of the hate filled cyclic rhetoric we could spew at one another we're only trying to save these people for this monstrous psychopath.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#175 - 2015-08-07 04:28:52 UTC
Few of us offered to help and were turned away.... Should we risk their lives needlessly to prove a point to you?
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#176 - 2015-08-07 04:31:41 UTC
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them.


I think I am rather safe in saying the every one of the abominable towers this heretic has put up has almost certainly been dealt with by Amarrian task forces.

What constantly vexes me is the willing acceptance to leave the saving of those purported to be 'Your People' to those you so revile. Regardless of the hate filled cyclic rhetoric we could spew at one another we're only trying to save these people for this monstrous psychopath.

"Save" is a subjective term here. You'll still put them in chains until they develop Stockholm syndrome or their children have forgotten what it means to be Minmatar. As outright disgusting, vile, and delusional as Nauppie's practices are, they are actually the lesser of the two evils.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#177 - 2015-08-07 04:40:25 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
"Save" is a subjective term here. You'll still put them in chains until they develop Stockholm syndrome or their children have forgotten what it means to be Minmatar. As outright disgusting, vile, and delusional as Nauppie's practices are, they are actually the lesser of the two evils.

Really?

... hm. I suppose that makes sense from a broad Matari perspective.

If I were one of the people Nauplius had in hand, though, I think I might be more enthusiastic about the greater evil.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#178 - 2015-08-07 04:45:49 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
"Save" is a subjective term here. You'll still put them in chains until they develop Stockholm syndrome or their children have forgotten what it means to be Minmatar. As outright disgusting, vile, and delusional as Nauppie's practices are, they are actually the lesser of the two evils.

Really?

... hm. I suppose that makes sense from a broad Matari perspective.

If I were one of the people Nauplius had in hand, though, I think I might be more enthusiastic about the greater evil.

Given what I saw of some of the colonies the Amarrians get their slaves from, I'd say you'd be mistaken. It's a lot of blood and screaming either way, Naups' just ends it sooner with a bit of dramatic flair.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#179 - 2015-08-07 05:11:35 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Given what I saw of some of the colonies the Amarrians get their slaves from, I'd say you'd be mistaken. It's a lot of blood and screaming either way, Naups' just ends it sooner with a bit of dramatic flair.

You think they'd really rather be dead?

... um. Respectfully, if that's true, it's probably not too difficult to accomplish.

It seems like we've maybe seen two ends of a process: you at the beginning and me at the end. What's in between is something I wish I'd seen more of while staying with the Amarr.

Perhaps I'll get another chance.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#180 - 2015-08-07 05:33:05 UTC
Either way, tomorrow, the slaves will still be slaves. The Minmatar people are too weak to do anything about it per usual. The Sani Sabik, what there are of us, may not even raise a finger to help a weaker fellow believer. The Amarrians will continue to pick on the runts like Nauplius instead of doing anything about bigger threats like goons.