EVE General Discussion

Agreed and well said.

Notable though that it would only be twitch spam if there is a competitor.

Most of the time it would be only you at your leisure in HS where the loot is **** (which indirectly is actually a result of relic/data nodes not having conpetition except the superficial of who reaches it first. Its not rational to improve the loot quality without adding more competition or difficulty to the task).

Im ambivalent on S-timer.
Its not a requirement to raise competition on HS relic/data nodes, though I do think it offers more sandbox and options.

So lets brainstorm a way to add more competition to HS data/relic nodes (which would also justify better loot, even noobs dont bother with relic sigs which litter HS), in a way that doesnt **** off the twitch-impaired, doesnt overcomplicate, and may or may not include suspect timer options to liven things up a bit also for new players in HS.

An interactive minigame where you hack the same matrix from opposite ends gainst a competitor when they analyze the node you are on would have been great, but since this only really applies to HS where you cant simply blow the competition up, its too much to expect CCP to bother with.

Two options I see are either:
1) Multiple players can analyze node, and whoever completes first, wins. Skills/builds augment this.

2). Simplified loot spew system of 1-2 cans, where the original tapper has rights, and thief goes suspect if they nab it first.
The s-timer is necessary in this case, or otherwise the original tapper has no way to engage the thief.
The twitch required for this is no more than what is required to loot a standard wreck. Select, open cargo, loot.

I expect CODE would have an enormous interest in a side business of selling exploration licenses in the latter.
No license? Yoink! "Whatcha gonna do, bad boys bad boys"

As has been said, and agreed, this is specific to HS.
And also has been said, and to which I agree, in HS its a noob activity.
But I firmly think increased competition by means of either of the above would liven up the game also for these players positively so they feel some thrill in HS too. Also, increasing competition/risk is the necessary compromise to make the loot more desirable, or HS exploration may become as dead as HS combat anoms and ratting. Flashies are very exciting to new players and prompt them to learn more and maybe even balls it and engage, not just at the node, but also those who encounter the flashy in transit.

I dont know figures of how many HS explorers there are, but I do see that HS data sites ARE being cleared regularly as I pass through systems again looking for combat sigs, so there is a substantial demand. Relic sites however... Even noobs soon learn to skip them.

I see your point, and I always run combat anoms while simultaneously probing for combat sigs in that system for exactly this reason (and to allay a bit of boredom in HS and hear my guns fire and stuff exploding).

Ive been away for a bit and dont know if occurance of escalations has changed, but ive not had many as of yet.
If they are as frequent as you say, I agree with you, as the bread and butter of high sec combat exploration is in the sigs in safe space anyways and very (perhaps too) lucrative. Depending on where you operate, they can be more efficient than following escalation chains down long paths that require time and refits.

Ive read that anoms pile up in HS islands, and think that might be what you are experiencing in part, rather than running specific low traffic circuits in HS and nabbing combat sigs as they pass through those in their dispersal.

On the otherhand, its great that escalations tempt players out of HS past LS thresholds. And great for HS island players to make short trips to escalations in neighbouring LS.

Good points, but perhaps a matter for another thread, as this one is one HS data/relic nodes and how/if to make them more competetive.

Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites where more competetive?

We already know that relic sites are ignored, and data site profits are low.

We can accept that as the status quo, or we can find a way to offset better loot with more competition.

Do you see what I mean?

Atm, making HS data drops better would result in more traffic, but not more inherent competition actually at the node.
Basically, more people would farm HS data, and true, create more competition between themselves.

But dont you think its rather boring at HS data sites?
One person will almost always arrive before the other, and there is no direct competition except analyzing the nodes left at the site.

Wouldnt it be more interesting and engaging if you can race to analyze the same node faster thatn your competitor?
Wouldnt it be more exciting to either suspect the competition will try to steal the 1can spew and you can then attack them, or inversely to steal the can and profit (if you can make survive transit) or hope you are attacked?

I dont think either of these detracts from the current system.
Instead, it improves it in ways that matter, and can also justify better drops.

The twitch element is marginal.
In a hack race, its just the same thing as usual, just faster, like speed chess.
To loot 1-2cans, its the same twitch as to loot a wreck. Approach, select, open cargo, loot.


See what I mean?

Whats wrong with asking an interested party:

"Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites where more competetive?"

Nothing.

Its a begnign, simple and open question.
He can answer however he wants.
Also, note I addressed it to him, not you.
If I want to ask you something, I will refer to you by name.

Its also the core question of the thread, or atleast my own position in it.

Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites were more competetive?

And yes I really want to discuss the structure, nature and means of competitive HS exploration, (which I have demonstrated and done rather than try to complicatr individual posters in irrelevant rhetoric) all of which is pertinent and germane to OPs position as I see it.

I think OP would agree with me.

Tippia, my dear, despite years of effort, you still are not a mod.
You dont have the authority to delineate what is ontopic and what isnt.

If you dont like my posts, nobody is forcing you to twist your knickers on them, especially as they are not even addressed to you.

Your entire line of argument and attack is entirely off-topic.
And I think that is deliberate on your part.

The topic is not to discuss whether its content is off-topic, which is the only thing you are doing.
Catch 22 there, my dear Tippia.

My reading of OPs topic differs from yours, and I maintain it is germane and relevant to my own question in this thread:

Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites were more competetive?

OPs position obviously is he would want s-timer theft mechanics reinstated, so he agrees with this question as per his OP, and hence is relevant to it.

TLDR: The person shouting at others that they are off-topic, is infact themselves demonstrably persistently off-topic.

You're both off topic.

In before lock

No. Still just demonstrating at least a level basic literacy, unlike you.

I didn't say it was. That's just you reading what you want to read rather than what's actually written.

Your question is simple, at best tangential to the OP, and ultimately pointless since you're questioning a position no-one holds. Why is it so hard for you to discuss the actual topic — you know, s-flagging? Why do you have such difficulties creating a thread to discuss the tangent you want to go on? Is it because your question has already been answered by everyone (except, funnily enough, the OP) and no-one is picking it up as a result, so you know that it such a thread would be DOA?

Hell, you only went on this pointless tangent because you desperately wanted to prove something I said was “false”, which you immediately failed to do — as always — because you failed to read what was actually written — as always. Now you're clinging to it in an equally desperate attempt to prove your silly misreading was accurate, which you most likely will fail to do as well…

…or you could just go back on topic and discuss the reasons why s-flagging was removed from data/relic sites.

Yes. We already knew all of that.

No-one has argued that it would be.