EVE General Discussion

Ken ,is it really , at last ,Ken is back

ouch, coming from an on-line cross dresser

The point was that time *was* spent on WiS and it was disastrous for the game.

again lack of memory

the summer rage was about some leaked documents ,the FAILNEX with a possible P2W model
the promise of a big expansion

some people aren,t over their rage from the summer and now pointing that to the only thing ,thats left to rage over
The only difference now back then everybody was angry,now we have a few butthurt people who now wis hate and want to rage on

edit. fail at snipe.

I think people should stop post now, since most of the posts for past few pages are just complete rabble garbage non-sense filled with hilarious stupidity.

The WiS people seems to lose their touch and become one of the "imbecile rage troll clowns"
I know answering to those "role-players" such as Ladie Harlot and others proclaiming EVE "their view core-gameplay" and screw everyone else got some serious effect on the responses from otherwise sensible people.

BS, you think the 3 FiS expansions before incarna, which were made with more time and more devs than this last expansion were bad because some other team was making WiS.

your a fool. Your honestly letting CCP get off easy with that excuse.

I think we all knew what a disastrous event incarna was going to be when we saw fanfest and they had NOTHING to show. If they have been working so hard on WiS for the past 2 years as you think, they wuold of had a lot more game.

no the last 3 FiS expansions were bad because they ignored the playerbase, and abandoned features.

+1

yeah but STO is a shitgame and you know it

Please bear in mind the following:

During the 2 years that are mentioned repeatedly by the WiS haters they build the Carbon Framework through refining the old code. They wanted to use it as foundation for other projects. The nice side effect was that they now have a much better foundation for EVE. I state that the carbon frame work and the two years they worked on it made many of the improvements that were delivered with Crucible possible in the first place. Or maybe not possible, but much faster and easier to develop.
Remember how they always stated that they can't change the UI. Now they can and they do because of their code refinement. So don't pretend as if the core gameplay don't got any benefit out of it. That simply isn't true.
True is that those two years also had expansions with many additions (but not iterations) for the core gameplay. Infrastructure stuff, Pirate Epic Arcs, revisited Faction Ships, new planet graphics, Planetary Interaction, removal of learning skills, "Little Things" from Team BFF, Incursions... to just name some of the bigger things. Looking at the expansions before that they mostly hadn't that much content in them, too.

The real problem was the lack of iteration and the practice of feature abandonment they did. But they already did that before WiS, or ambulation how they called it back in the day, was a topic. You can try to babble as long as you want, but WiS and WoD were not entirely responsible for that. It more looks like some major mismanagement by CCP. They have grown too big too fast and couldn't handle it properly. Now they have learned (hopefully) that something was amiss, they can restructure and try to get a grip on it again. Crucible showed us that they can and that there is enough potential. And it showed that Carbon was a good idea.

I see the need to iterate and revamp many old features (heck, I do want that maybe as desperate as you WiS haters) and I know that this is more urgent than new content for WiS. I think most WiS supporters understand that pretty well.


I have to admit that a lot of our loved haters here are right that we already got our answer from CCP. WiS is on the backburner. So I think we should formulate some questions that are more precise. That something is on the backburner can mean a lot of things. Maybe we should ask more specific questions... like:

What does it mean exactly that WiS is on the backburner?
Are there still a few developers working on WiS related content or iterations for features that are already delivered (Captains Quarters, Character Customization)?
If yes, on what are they working at the moment?
If no, when can we expect to hear anything new? No exact date needed, just some rough estimation (eg after the summer expansion, after the next winter expansion, propably in two years etc.)?
Are you seriously considering to abandon WiS entirely? Or is it more like putting it back to the drawing board and thinking of how to make it more meaningful?
Have you really overshot the mark regarding hardware requirements of your engine? Is there a way to scale it down and lower them? Do we have to wait for the next generation of graphic cards to get any multiplayer enviroment running smoothly?
Can we expect that Captains Quarters are going to be iterated some time in the future? There are features lacking that were talked about ( eg market tickers).
What about the request by many players to make the bloodlines and races more distinct, eg through racial clothing and additional accessory?
There are also a lot of requests regarding bloodline and gender changes. Is there something you are working on?

I think that this are a lot of the questions we "barbie fetishists" like to know and it is far from unreasonable to ask them and expect an answer of some kind.

Nice post, liked it as it summarizes what WiS haters choose to ignore (the infamous 18 months).

But the first question in that list should be:

Will CCP talk to us before this issue escalates into yet another PR disaster?