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EVICT THE POS SQUATTERS

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Nortion Adoulin
Not Listed
#1 - 2015-08-05 22:13:33 UTC
As most of you know a very large % of moons have inactive POS in position preventing any one form setting up a working one with out paying a ransom to the POS place holder to get a spot.
This makes no sense as it actively removes revenue (Charters and Tax) from the local government as a inactive POS costs nothing to keep sitting there blocking the spot.

Any one wanting to set up a active POS should be able to get them removed by local forces or force the owner to put the POS online within 24 hours. If this is not done then the POS is impounded and removed.

Every POS must have charters installed weather online or not and after 48 hours of going off line they should use charters at an increased rate to off set the lost revenue to the local economy.

If the POS has run out of charters then it could be listed as a hazard to navigation and either impounded and removed or it could be destroyed.

Please give you opinions and alternative ideas. Thank you
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-08-05 22:20:25 UTC
This is a high sec "problem" the solution is quite simple, declare war on the corp controlling the tower and shoot it.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2015-08-05 22:29:11 UTC
Have you tried shooting the POS?

If you don't want to do it yourself, pay a mercenary to do it for you.

(I'll kill it for 500mil)
Ele Rebellion
Vertex Armada
The Initiative.
#4 - 2015-08-05 23:07:32 UTC
If its a dead stick it won't reinforce. just drop a couple dreads on it and it'll be gone pretty quick.

or in case of Highsec. wardec the corp. then during random hours they don't play on drop a whole fleet of battleships on it, after it goes poof. drop the Wardec.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2015-08-05 23:11:21 UTC
Counter-proposal to OP: If you want it, either negotiate for it or take it down by force. NPCs are not there to do "capsuleer work."
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-08-05 23:19:23 UTC
There are lots of empty moons in hisec, do some scouting. You can also send out offer mails (or wardecs) to offline tower owners. Before you demand someone else give you an 'easy button', put in the effort. A small offline tower is pretty easy to blap in a few hours or less.

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Madd Adda
#7 - 2015-08-05 23:23:43 UTC
I'm no expert in the ways of blapping POSs but what if the corp that once owned a POS, closes? Does the POS remain? If so, how can you dec the owners if they aren't around anymore?


I offer two suggestion:

1. in the event that the POS remains even after a corp closes, have them free to shoot (even in high sec).
2. have the resistances on offline POSs degrade over time after getting offlined. I'd say the lowest, resistance would be 50% and have those reduced resistances restored to normal upon onlining the POS. Have an indicator as to how the resistances are at present when close to the POS. This way, people either are encouraged to online them more often, or give them up their spot to others.

Carebear extraordinaire

Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-08-05 23:29:35 UTC
I'll just leave this here

Champion of the Knights of the General Discussion

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#9 - 2015-08-06 01:31:55 UTC
Madd Adda wrote:
I'm no expert in the ways of blapping POSs but what if the corp that once owned a POS, closes? Does the POS remain? If so, how can you dec the owners if they aren't around anymore?.

Yes the POS remains in space and you know what these are the easiest POS to bash.
Determine owner of POS.
File war dec with Concord.
24 hours later destroy the thing with NO chance that someone may fight back.

But there is no one from the corp online anymore you say. Hey no big deal they do not have to be online for your WD to go active.

Tried to WD but Concord will not accept for some reason then file a support ticket with CCP, if your information is accurate I am sure they have the ability to A) remove dead POS or B) activate your WD.

No matter how you slice it up, or how nicely you ask you cannot have an easy button for POS removal. Well except for simply asking the corp and hoping they will remove it for you.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2015-08-06 02:28:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Mercenaries. this is the kind of thing you can pay us to do for youBlink

look in here for any of the [Merc] threads
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#11 - 2015-08-06 03:19:45 UTC
I really can't believe that "post about it on F&I" came before "I should probably just shoot it".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#12 - 2015-08-06 03:50:03 UTC
If you really think that the majority of moons in hisec already have POSes anchored there, active or otherwise, then you are sorely, sorely mistaken. I suggest you go a few more systems out and you will find empty moons.

And, if you just really, absolutely, have to have a moon in a certain system that's occupied...contact me in game. I take POSes down for a fee.

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FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#13 - 2015-08-06 06:59:54 UTC
Polarized torp bombers for offline posses DPS fit marauders for dickstars... Take the guns down first and then dismantle the whole thing...

I have taken down a large tower with 6 sets of sentry drones... you can afford to use your 1k+ dps murder machines
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-08-06 07:08:31 UTC
FireFrenzy wrote:
Polarized torp bombers for offline posses DPS fit marauders for dickstars... Take the guns down first and then dismantle the whole thing...

I have taken down a large tower with 6 sets of sentry drones... you can afford to use your 1k+ dps murder machines



Seems like a lot of hassle: oracles, T1 crystals and a good TV show FTW.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#15 - 2015-08-06 07:27:24 UTC
They ate not preventing you from anything except maybe get something for nothing

You want them evicted do it yourself
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-08-06 07:29:19 UTC
I'd be sympathetic to a request to not be required to grind the shield HP when the thing is offline, mind you.
Nortion Adoulin
Not Listed
#17 - 2015-08-06 08:02:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nortion Adoulin
Most of these spots are held buy corporation's that are holding multiple POS's in popular systems.
For a small corps with little money just trying to get off the ground getting into a war is not a good idea as these guys will probably change there ownership to a second corp or remove one POS to allow you to garb a spot then come back and kill you POS and take that spot back.
I know how eve works " F**K with my business and your going to get smashed."

Hire Mercenaries. That's you answer to everything!
To small to defend yourself against larger corps Hire Mercenaries
Need a POS spot Hire Mercenaries
Some little **** is trying to take one of you many offline POS Hire Mercenaries and kill him repeatedly

I don't want or need to get into a WAR.
How many of these offline POS are held buy a corps owned by a larger faction or corp.

DON'T CARE JUST BLOW **** UP!

Guess what I don't have the time/skills or isk to go around getting into wars that I am going to lose.

I may not need to keep a POS there long before I move on to a new system so there no point in spending millions of isk to get a spot I may only need for a few months I never get my investment back.
I just want to use a POS in a place were no one else is using one. If they online there POS they can keep them but not just block everyone else with a inactive tower.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#18 - 2015-08-06 08:39:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I really can't believe that "post about it on F&I" came before "I should probably just shoot it".


I vaguely remember some issue about not being able to wardec a corp that was closed?
Lu Ziffer
Balanced Unity
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2015-08-06 09:08:08 UTC
Nortion Adoulin wrote:
Most of these spots are held buy corporation's that are holding multiple POS's in popular systems.
For a small corps with little money just trying to get off the ground getting into a war is not a good idea as these guys will probably change there ownership to a second corp or remove one POS to allow you to garb a spot then come back and kill you POS and take that spot back.
I know how eve works " F**K with my business and your going to get smashed."

Hire Mercenaries. That's you answer to everything!
To small to defend yourself against larger corps Hire Mercenaries
Need a POS spot Hire Mercenaries
Some little **** is trying to take one of you many offline POS Hire Mercenaries and kill him repeatedly

I don't want or need to get into a WAR.
How many of these offline POS are held buy a corps owned by a larger faction or corp.

DON'T CARE JUST BLOW **** UP!

Guess what I don't have the time/skills or isk to go around getting into wars that I am going to lose.

I may not need to keep a POS there long before I move on to a new system so there no point in spending millions of isk to get a spot I may only need for a few months I never get my investment back.
I just want to use a POS in a place were no one else is using one. If they online there POS they can keep them but not just block everyone else with a inactive tower.

??
So you want CCP todo your job? not going to happen.
Get a oracle with t1 weapons and t1 ammo fit it capstable and kill the tower and stop being so afraid.
In EVE you have to work for stuff.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2015-08-06 09:29:29 UTC
Nortion Adoulin wrote:
Most of these spots are held buy corporation's that are holding multiple POS's in popular systems.
For a small corps with little money just trying to get off the ground getting into a war is not a good idea as these guys will probably change there ownership to a second corp or remove one POS to allow you to garb a spot then come back and kill you POS and take that spot back.
I know how eve works " F**K with my business and your going to get smashed."

Hire Mercenaries. That's you answer to everything!
To small to defend yourself against larger corps Hire Mercenaries
Need a POS spot Hire Mercenaries
Some little **** is trying to take one of you many offline POS Hire Mercenaries and kill him repeatedly

I don't want or need to get into a WAR.
How many of these offline POS are held buy a corps owned by a larger faction or corp.

DON'T CARE JUST BLOW **** UP!

Guess what I don't have the time/skills or isk to go around getting into wars that I am going to lose.

I may not need to keep a POS there long before I move on to a new system so there no point in spending millions of isk to get a spot I may only need for a few months I never get my investment back.
I just want to use a POS in a place were no one else is using one. If they online there POS they can keep them but not just block everyone else with a inactive tower.

dont want to war dec the pos holders yourself,
dont want to pay mercs to do so for you ,
wouldent be able to defend it even if you got it.

riiiiiiight, no moons for you then.
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