Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't the prereqs for the Interdictor skill seem a little odd? None of them are really related to the piloting of Interdictors except the racial destroyer skill. Plus, 3/4 of the skills are off remap for most combat pilots.

We've got:

1. Propulsion Jamming V. Not only is it a massively long train for a person who flies without implants/non-intmem remapped (i.e. people that live in null who would be flying a dictor), it also doesn't really apply at all for what an Interdictor does--that is, AoE tackling. Bubble launchers don't use cap.

2. Science V. It's used for blueprint copying. What?! That's not even about flying spaceships!

3. Graviton Physics. This one matters less simply because it's a pretty short train on it's own, but it only tangentially fits flavor wise and is not at all practical. It also requires Science V as a prereq, which is something subcap pilots are not going to train.

4. Spaceship Command IV. This is the only reasonable one because it increases a ship's agility, which is important for a dictor who needs to turn on a dime to control the grid.

This totals to ~30 days of training + a week for racial destroyer skill V, most of which is wasted on skills that don't even affect an Interdictor pilot.

Some will say "so what, other ships have dumb prereqs too." Two wrongs does not make a right. There is no reason for the training to be like this. It's silly.

Armour and shield skills have the same mapping as Science. Your argument that they're off-remap for combat pilots is bunk...

And if you think Prop. Jamming V is a long train, I positively can't wait for you to become a triage carrier pilot.


30 days of training for a T2 ship is fine.

A pilot isn't training most of the armor and shield skills past their first few months when they're getting core stuff out of the way anyways (most of which has an int/mem map). Advanced pilots that would be flying dictors would likely have a per/will map, as all gunnery, missile, and spaceship command skills are per/will mapped.

Long trains are relative. This is a destroyer were talking about, the second smallest class of ship in the game. And for a pilot's first Interdictor, they also need the racial command skill, which brings the total to around 40 days to start interdicting.

It seems pretty overkill for a ship whose main purpose is lost in highsec and lowsec. It also cuts off the decently useful combat abilities of these ships behind this skill wall, limiting the amount of people who can really use these ships for their non-bubbling secondary applications (i.e. killing stuff).

also its not like "prop jamming 5" is an annoying skill to have... Its really usefull and you're mostly qualified as a HIC pilot at the same time

A bunch of ships have weird, annoying and obviously timesink-only requirements. These really are not an example of that though.

Although most people couldn't look beyond the bubbles, they are were really good even without the bubbles - but T3D happened....

And it has begun. Next thing subject to skill shortening demands will be HAC, Logis, and CS.

Science and Graviton Physics sure have a place in that queue because you use highly sophisticated, area-of-effect modules and charges that require you to understand basics of science in general and the science behind gravitational manipulation to incapacitate several untargeted warpdrives at once in particular.

*sigh*

The "tackle skill" has no effect on dictor bubbles so it makes no sense for it to be a requirement.

Well I don't know about you, but I use a web/scram on my sabres, otherwise people just moonwalk out the bubbles. You know how fast a frigate can cover the 20km radius unless you've hard tackled it?

I wouldn't count on ccp to change both the ship pre req and the item pre req at the same time. The launcher pre reqs make sense. Whats going to happen is that it will take less time to sit in the ship but longer to actually use them with the probe launcher.