EVE New Citizens Q&A

So I'm getting to the point where I really need to make a decision on what my weapon focus is going to be... I've been skilling up in Caldari ships and am aimed at the Tengu (currently flying a Drake).

My goal is lvl 4 missions/rating/WH, and PvP. once I have my Tengu/skiils at the point where I'm happy with them (so like three years from now) I'm getting interested in the command ship skill line. Ideally I'd like the Tengu to be an active tank with a little stealth (pop in a wormhole, see what's around then decide what I want to do on my terms - this is ideal, and I'm sure it's highly unrealistic).

Right now my missiles skills are a bit higher, but from everything I read on these forums it seems like missiles took a serious nerf in the last year and when you consider that combined with the fact that you have to wait for them to hit your target in pvp then hybrid turrets might be the better way to go.

Thank you in advance for any help.

Signed, the noobiest of noobs.

Your name makes me hungry.

It's a hard call honestly, but the answer is both.

I prefer rails, but if you want to go the WH route, missiles would probably take priority as you can't use a covert setup with rails.

OTOH, you will need to run level 3s on your way to level 4s and rails is definitely preferred under that scenario...

I would do some WH diving in a cheap ship, like your Drake to make sure that is what you want to do before you decide.

The subsystem that allows you to use the covert cloak gives you 4 missile hardpoints and no turret hardpoints.

I suppose in theory you could fit for covert movement and then when you find a site you want to do switch your setup with a mobile depot, the issue becomes cargo space under that scenario, not sure you have enough room for two completely different setups.

Worth it? It depends, generally I don't go to WHs with a stealth setup. But there have certainly been times I wished I did. That's one of the great things about this game, try as you might you can't possibly be in the right ship for all scenarios so the reality becomes just fit for the scenario at hand and understand things may or may not go south.

The other issue with the cloaky Tengu is that it only has those four hardpoints, meaning you are maxing out around 450 dps IIRC, that is hardly optimal for WHs, you can certainly do the sites but it will take a long time.

Missiles or guns is really a personal call there is no right answer. Also there is absolutely no need to be all level 5 on anything. You can get decently skilled on both missiles and guns in not that long especially if you are not planing on training any large weapons in the near term.

Stay away from level 5 skills unless you need them to unlock something. Try out both turrets and missiles and when you figure out which one that you like better or which one that you wind up using more then train more of that and less of the other. You will most likely wind up training it all anyway.

I do believe most Eve pilots will tell you that having options is better than being really good at one thing. If you train up shield and missile and turret skills for Caldari ships then you won't be too far off from flying Minmatar well so that could be a good race to start crosstraining into if you decide to branch out a bit.

In the end it's your character and you have to play it so you will have to decide what works best for you. That does not mean no one here can give you good advice but it does mean that in the end the only way that you will really know is to try it for yourself.

Listen to what others have to say and try it for yourself then come to your own conclusions IMHO is the formula for win.

There are people about who have much more expertise than me so give prefence to their opinion, but FWIW I've got a char trained into a tengu for the same kind of WH, Null exploration as you. I'm specializing him into HML & HAMs because that's historically what the Tengu uses even if it's PVE overpowered status was nerfed. I find the missiles work fine -- even for L3's.

Plus, CCP may be on a trend to improve missiles, even if the latest attempt didn't hit the mark.

Finally, missiles skills could be used for a Rattlesnake, which is in a very good place for L4's currently.

Nope, it has its uses. There a large fleet doctrines that use them and they are arguably the best ship for running level 3s.

You can also set it up to run level 4s although it is far from optimal, you really should use a BS for level 4s.

If you honestly plan to PvP, turrets are where it is at.

Some missiles are viable, light/rapid light/rapid heavy. Beyond that turrets typically outshine them in a big way.

If it is PvE, it really doesn't matter much.

The other plus point is hybrids opens the gallente hulls too and they're pretty much currently the master race.

the way this works out from a practical sense is that guns require you to understand more about piloting your ship because how you fly has a much greater effect on your damage both out going and incoming than it does with missiles.

If you want to rat in wormholes, just bring subsystems and refittings with you along with a mobile depot.

Blue loot is relatively small anyway and you won't be salvaging unless you live in or next to that hole.