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Should C13 wormholes get changed?
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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#21 - 2015-07-07 06:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Freekytoes wrote:
A lot of you are looking at this through the eyes of PVP and fight escalations. I don't think that's the point of frig holes.

Frigate holes are ideal for manufacturing, gas refining (drugs/tech III) and mining. The sites provide easily enough cash to keep a medium tower or two running without fear of the moros popping over for a stront check. Wormholes are also a hell of a lot safer than k-space (in my opinion). As soon as you can fly a drake (ish), the game really opens up for you.

It's also a nice jumping off point for exploration.

The added bonus is that it's a gateway drug to the higher class wormholes.

You may not enjoy those aspects of the game but they are aspects.

Very sensible.

But you are clearly not welcome in wormhole space - you speak of "exploration" and "mining" and "industry". For did you not hear Bob's first commandment? "Thou shalt do nothing in thy wormhole other than PvP. And if you do do something else it had damn well better be in private."

And his second commandment was, "And nothing must change in my realm. Ever again. Especially new things and different."

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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#22 - 2015-07-07 07:27:13 UTC
Ooh. Wingspanner! Did you stare at the forums for 30 minutes before deciding to post?

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#23 - 2015-07-07 14:03:55 UTC
At least an hour.

I quite like that noun, 'Wingspsnner'. I tool of dubious use and efficacy! Well, certainly describes me :)

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#24 - 2015-07-07 14:11:32 UTC
In Pulsars atleast, their sigbloom makes flying a frigate completely pointless.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#25 - 2015-07-08 01:03:34 UTC
I would argue that C13's with C6 level W-R is equally pointless because Talwar, for instance. 750DPS with explosion radius buff and a TP...4600 salvoes. You can instapop most foes and run away from the others.

if not, what's the point in flying, eg, a gank hecate? With 2400 DPS, if you lock your enemy half a second late, you die.

I would actually be interested to see the stats on C13 PVP.

We tend not to bother, after learning lessons vs gank Eris where a plated Vengeance instapopped. You deploy Talwars, Jackdaws, and see if your enemy is dumb enough to have a prop mod running and not be aligned. if so, you win. If not, he just warps out and cloaks up and everyone loses.

it's not worth fighting in C13's because you die so fast. If you spend 90M on a Svipul and die in 3 seconds, why not spend 220M on a Raven and die just as pointlessly over the course of 90 seconds? Clearly more bang for your buck.

it's just as stupid having a Wormh in a Pulsar or a sentry tristan magnetar doctrine, or grid-firing black hole jackdaws.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#26 - 2015-07-08 16:49:29 UTC
The only negative about c13s is that there is no depth, it they spawned other c13 statics, and a single frig size wormhole static plus a kspace , Then one could go down a c13 CHAIN with only what you carry for an expedition, and with things to find,discover, and see, you would have a whole new breed of wormholer. As it is it misses the mark.

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Sanders Schmittlaub
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-07-24 16:44:40 UTC
Idea: Very intersting.
Execution: Not so great.


C6 bonuses in frigate-only wormholes make PvP engagements far too short and PvE far too easy, albeit a lot of fun.

I like the idea enough where I won't toss my support in the 'remove it' camp, but I will support the 'needs work' camp.

Remove ice sites from them (nothing to mine them with), probably remove ore sites as well since every C13 has about twenty of them that never get used due to their massive. Either completely remove them or give each system a hard cap on number of ore sites (I recommend two or three). Change the system effect strength to match the size of sites in the system, or maybe make it one wormhole class higher. It won't fix them completely but would be a small step in the right direction.
Dalts
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#28 - 2015-08-05 22:46:52 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
The only negative about c13s is that there is no depth, it they spawned other c13 statics, and a single frig size wormhole static plus a kspace , Then one could go down a c13 CHAIN with only what you carry for an expedition, and with things to find,discover, and see, you would have a whole new breed of wormholer. As it is it misses the mark.


Genius idea!

C13s are great fun for the lol dps from a confessor, though not found any PVP when I've been in one. Would be interesting if they had a number of static C13, so you got a highway of them as referenced above.
Jayze Severasse
Divided by Zer0
#29 - 2015-08-05 23:06:59 UTC
The better question....Why do all the Eve Vets think all new content is for them? Lol

C13s are clearly for newbs....or vets that want easy kills.


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Lmao
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#30 - 2015-08-05 23:11:21 UTC
im really disappointed with how wormholers have reacted to thera and frig holes since the hyperion update. We all live in wspace and very few corps have even taken the time to come up with frig doctrines to deal with frig holes. I mean really... how hard is it to get some frig logi and dps frigs and go pvp with a frig doctrine? You realize you can totally kill ppl with a good frig doctrine right?

NOW TO BE FAIR: frig holes are pretty annoying at times because we go in to someones home with frigs they drop t3s and when we jump back they come through with frigs and WE drop t3s (if they even come at all)..... doesn't work. This is really more a player issue anyway. But here at r3d fire we have adopted the "whatever fuk it" policy and just... fight t3s with enyos anyway. If we take one mentally challenged loki to hell with us... gg.

The other thing is thera. So much complaining for a wormhole meta that is very unique in new eden. Lots of null roaming, and communities formed there and apparently we are too good for it? <.< If you guys are so furious with how our null connections got cut, ever consider going on eve scout and connecting your chain to thera via close kspaces? adapt or die. You are usually always less than 10j from thera. like right now r3d fire is 4j from thera and we have it marked on siggy how to get there.

as far as c13s, no it doesn't appeal to us high class dwellers. But it is REALLY appealing to others. particularly the very quiet nomadic wormholers. I have some of them mailing me asking for entrances to c13s. i find and lead them in when i find a good one. Also i dont buy the "oh its just for farming so it should be deleted". LOL ever heard of c6 space?

Things that are actually totally screwed up:
1. why are there ice belts in frig wormhole systems? did nobody at ccp even think this through?
2. c13 pvp is instapop vs instapop.. ugh forget it.

Things that wormholers need to adapt to:
1. fly some damn (not t3 dessie) frig doctrines. you might actually have fun *gasp*
2. would it kill you to solo slicer roam out of the frig null? no. maybe a little cruor + succ roam? idk ffs have fun! jesus....

sometimes i feel like im the only person who likes this game

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Epsilon Artiste
Goonmetrics Inc
#31 - 2015-08-07 19:22:37 UTC
When citadels replace pos, wonder if you'll be able to put up a small citadell in a shattered? No need for moons so...
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#32 - 2015-08-09 16:36:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
they want to leave all shattered space pos free. I don't object to that

Yaay!!!!
corwin1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-08-30 04:49:50 UTC
As one of the afore mentioned confessor pilots my answer is "Hell no" c13's offer an alternative to a full on WH corp operation for people who want to live in wormhole space, they're great if you don't have the time to commit to a WH corp and they also make WH space more accessible to newer players.
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