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7-day protection protocol
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Kate Krowler
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-08-04 06:43:08 UTC
Just initiate for new gamers 7-day protection protocol. Do it.

Its really sad that pirates can kill you everywhere, even in hi-sectors. If old players can fight back, new - can't.

But, limit protocol 7 opportunities, old gamers could use them to transit goods without being attacked by pirates. So limit transit. And disable this protocol, if newies initiating somebodies attack on some period of time.

Its hard to play new players. When these assholes kills them, people stop play this game, because they have lost most of they got.


Best regards, new EVE player.
Lu Ziffer
Balanced Unity
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2015-08-04 07:12:12 UTC
On average people who get killed are more likely to stay in EVE.
Based on statistcs CCP has gathered in the last year.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#3 - 2015-08-04 08:08:45 UTC
There are already rules against ganking in starter systems: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems

Once you leave the nest you are fair game. Getting killed is part of the game and implies no malice - the ganker will often replace your ship and teach you what you did wrong - especially if you venture into the lower security regions of New Eden.
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#4 - 2015-08-04 08:35:09 UTC
Kate Krowler wrote:
... When these assholes kills them, people stop play this game, because they have lost most of they got.


Sir, you should leave the game now.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2015-08-04 08:36:53 UTC
Do Little wrote:
There are already rules against ganking in starter systems: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems

Once you leave the nest you are fair game. Getting killed is part of the game and implies no malice - the ganker will often replace your ship and teach you what you did wrong - especially if you venture into the lower security regions of New Eden.


Pretty much this. You'll be surprised how things work out for many players....

Hell, CCP even put out a video about this, Causality or some such if I recall. About a guy getting ganked. He then gets into the alliance of the people who ganked him, worked his way up in the organization and when the time was right, emptied wallets, hangars, etc.

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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
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#6 - 2015-08-04 09:47:06 UTC
instead of that . trial accounts should not be able to go to nullsec but shold be able to go high/low/wormhole . howewer they shouldnt be able to suicide gank
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2015-08-04 09:54:26 UTC
I too feel I should have been unattackable in my first seven days of playing battlefield 4.

What have you got to lose in the first seven days of your game that you cant again achieve in another seven days?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-08-04 09:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Celthric Kanerian
Kate Krowler wrote:


pirates can kill you everywhere



As they should be able to.
Security and safety is non-existant in EVE. ( With sole exception of covert cloaking)
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-08-04 12:11:48 UTC
Lu Ziffer wrote:
On average people who get killed are more likely to stay in EVE.
Based on statistcs CCP has gathered in the last year.

I actually suppose that this is mostly because those are players curious enough to explore sandbox, venturing into more dangerous space and trying to make things happen. Such players are indeed more likely to stay.

Getting a social connection via good old "things you did wrong" method can be involved as well though.

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Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#10 - 2015-08-04 13:57:26 UTC
I'm fine with 7day protection. Imagine I need a way to move my plexes (or anything valuable that could be moved in a T1 frigate) in something un-gankable, and that would indeed be efficient at that.


Undock timer with a DST, fleeted newb account pick PLEXES from fleet hangar, transport to next hub, repeat the trick.

And that's exactly why it will never, ever, happens.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#11 - 2015-08-04 18:36:01 UTC
faaar to exploitable - lemme just go and mine some arkonor in nullsec in my venture in my noob char - ship it back to HS, use it with my 100M sp indy toon to build cap parts/outposts etc.
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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2015-08-04 18:43:06 UTC
why should you have to wait a week before playing the game, this is silly

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#13 - 2015-08-05 11:53:23 UTC
Yes let's not introduce players to player combat for the first week of a game built around pvp

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2015-08-05 12:12:07 UTC
I too, want retention rates to plummet. Roll

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Kooshti
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-08-05 12:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kooshti
Daichi Yamato wrote:
I too feel I should have been unattackable in my first seven days of playing battlefield 4.

What have you got to lose in the first seven days of your game that you cant again achieve in another seven days?



ive seen it in a couple of other games tbh, 7 day truce period, you cant actually do anything though, no pvp, no carebearing/pve.

I dont really see it achieving anything in eve apart from severe boredom
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#16 - 2015-08-05 13:00:01 UTC
There's a reason why I've never started an F&I thread, and that's because any idea I'd have would be as bad as the OP's.

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To mare
Advanced Technology
#17 - 2015-08-05 13:01:51 UTC
its better if new players lose some really cheap or free stuff on the first day, rather than losing the ship where they invested all their efforts the second the 7-days protection expire
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#18 - 2015-08-05 17:24:14 UTC
To mare wrote:
its better if new players lose some really cheap or free stuff on the first day, rather than losing the ship where they invested all their efforts the second the 7-days protection expire


like getting suicide ganked by NPC's?

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#19 - 2015-08-05 19:58:38 UTC
Well, if you lost a ship to NPCs for non-technical reasons (disconnection, ddos, etc), you deserved to loose it.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#20 - 2015-08-05 20:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
To mare wrote:
its better if new players lose some really cheap or free stuff on the first day, rather than losing the ship where they invested all their efforts the second the 7-days protection expire

I killed a very young newbie recently and upon realizing his age, messaged him. Such confusion. Just a small list of things he said:
Came to lowsec to check out the "big fights".
Why does it make you land 12km from the stargate?
Where do they sell the modules I lost? (they were civilian mods)
Can you send me some ISK? I can't mine for more than 5 minutes without these red things shooting me.

It took about 15 questions for him to even begin to understand how to recover from what happened. The NPE is still that awful. Killing the newbros is fine of course but I think us veterans have an onus to message them after to let them know what's up.

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