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War on the Fatherland has begun, Praetorian Directorate under Siege

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Nannina Vanaheimr
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2015-08-04 21:53:11 UTC
This thread is cocking epic.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#82 - 2015-08-04 21:56:13 UTC
Please make more completely crazy posts with no basis in fact or reality.
Dispike
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2015-08-04 22:07:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dispike
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Please make more completely crazy posts with no basis in fact or reality.


next he'll tell us about the Massive Star Destroyer Fleet he has assembled to crush our " space assets". Shocked
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#84 - 2015-08-04 22:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
I want to know what the thing is that he continuously threatens people with is.

He, as an individual, is awful at spaceship violence, Praetorian Directorate was large but of sub-standard quality and he's utterly exhausted his supply of mercenaries.

He's always been all "I'll come and get you, you'll be sorry!" but with what? It's like there's some invisible army somewhere that only he can see.
Jacques d'Orleans
#85 - 2015-08-04 22:21:41 UTC
Yuller
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2015-08-04 23:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuller
OMG that was epic. Jackwatts held you back. You are starting to remind me of a certain dictator in WW2 with these epic rants about how its everyone else's fault and you can still win this war. As far as the dog comment, i'll play along with that.Exception being is i am the dog that walks around the house and s**** where i feel the need and chew on the furniture that you yourself are to damn scared to punnish for fear of getting bit. Also what color paint chips are your favorite and what flavor windows do you like best. You clearly need medical attention there..
Yuller
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2015-08-04 23:28:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuller
Sengier wrote:
CoffinBait wrote:
I've just seen the 14 logi clip and... Auch. Given that at the time a certain individual was shouting over me " don't align, we have sentries! We can take them, they are just 5 men with 10 alts! " ... Thankfully the other guys had the common sense to ignore their " leader " and follow the fc.

4 seconds more and we'd have lost the battleships for nothing.


Being butthurt makes it easier to excuse obvious lies to yourself, hmm? I was indeed in that fleet but I never ordered you to stay and fight. If I had done so and you had tried to overrule me, I would have removed you from alliance then and there. I'm not known for my kind and forgiving nature that I would allow disobedience during an op.

It's sad to see how eager you guys are to turn on us after we spend our money and risked the alliances welfare to defend YOUR POCOs. There was no benefit for me or my corp to do so. I did order the alliance to defend you because I thought you to be loyal member of my alliance and I defend those who are loyal as long as it takes.

Your pathetic attempts to save face by buttering up those who are fighting us and making up lies about me, sicken me.

As so many pointed out this is just a game, yet you need to rely on such underhanded actions and even here where you cannot really lose anything real, you don't have the courage to fight.


Ok you blame Jack when you just said you were in that fleet and there is a video of it. Why didn't you over rule him then? Clearly you lacked the courage to fight herr sengier
Pheonix Jr
The Clown Shoe Crew
MALL POLICE - SEGWAY DIVISION
#88 - 2015-08-04 23:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Pheonix Jr
I myself am genuinely curious where he plans to obtain the member base required to achieve any of the empty threats he's tossed out here on the forums, he's clearly done a very good job at achieving something as rare and infrequent as all the mercs working towards a common goal for once, (Destroying his alliance) and most of his members have left his alliance already.. Not that a bunch of sub standard pilots could do anything against every merc in highsec either way.

Having never worked with, Nor have I spoken with him personally, I'v read the mails and chatlogs, and looking at war reports. I can sufficiently gather that he's probably a bit delusional and slightly misguided as to what he's actually "capable" of.

I hope that I have offended you with my comments

Dr Anonymous
Cosmic Monsters
#89 - 2015-08-05 01:05:31 UTC
Just thought I would add to the Post Mortum with a little background.

I know it fits the narrative here to say that PD couldn't fight anyone on their own and that we were all terrible but it's not strictly true or fair to the line members so I'd like to offer a little evidence to the contrary.

My Corp joined PD on a whim around Feb and we tried to get some organised PVP going , we were actively working on building up some organised PVP capability within the alliance, taking small gangs into low sec and null looking for actual fleet fights not just random ganks. We had what you would expect from a fledgling entity, plenty of failures but a few wins here and there, its all on Zkill if anyone cares to look.

A Notable failure - getting our arses handed to us trying to defend a C5 against an invasion by Total Absolution & friends

died in a fire

(this was eventually defended by Repercussus, if anyone wants WH Mercs use them they are excellent)

A Notable win - actually defending a WH against another invasion / Eviction

WH Defense


Things were ok for a while , We were even reaching out to other small alliances for fights to gain more experience and get more even(ish) fights without getting blobbed and stomped on all the time.
Unfortunately at this point my corp was largely inactive (around May) and I had to pretty much stop playing to due to IRL work and other commitments so I closed it down and handed over to Jack. For the record Jack did a great job and this would have happened this way regardless.
I had no idea what went on with the Merc contracts behind closed doors I figured it was purely to defend HS assets and stayed out of it. I did see some of the mails that were sent and yes they were horrific, the only thing that surprises me is that this didn't happen sooner. It's odd because he could be a great guy on comms its just when he wrote mails (or posts) .... oh dear.

dont **** on the line members for the failings in leadership. (including my own)

My compliments to BAW on a job well done, as ever.

Dr
PS I know the Hitler downfall vids are really played out but I still lol'd.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#90 - 2015-08-05 02:07:43 UTC
Sengier wrote:
CoffinBait wrote:
I've just seen the 14 logi clip and... Auch. Given that at the time a certain individual was shouting over me " don't align, we have sentries! We can take them, they are just 5 men with 10 alts! " ... Thankfully the other guys had the common sense to ignore their " leader " and follow the fc.

4 seconds more and we'd have lost the battleships for nothing.


Excuses. And angry words of fisty-cuffs


Blantant denial

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

CoffinBait
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2015-08-05 04:15:05 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Sengier wrote:
CoffinBait wrote:
I've just seen the 14 logi clip and... Auch. Given that at the time a certain individual was shouting over me " don't align, we have sentries! We can take them, they are just 5 men with 10 alts! " ... Thankfully the other guys had the common sense to ignore their " leader " and follow the fc.

4 seconds more and we'd have lost the battleships for nothing.


Excuses. And angry words of fisty-cuffs


Blantant denial


With a side dish of manic behaviour and illusions of grandeur . There's pills for that. There's even an app!
Valkin Mordirc
#92 - 2015-08-05 05:59:38 UTC
Sengier wrote:


Being butthurt makes it easier to excuse obvious lies to yourself, hmm? I was indeed in that fleet but I never ordered you to stay and fight. If I had done so and you had tried to overrule me, I would have removed you from alliance then and there. I'm not known for my kind and forgiving nature that I would allow disobedience during an op.

It's sad to see how eager you guys are to turn on us after we spend our money and risked the alliances welfare to defend YOUR POCOs. There was no benefit for me or my corp to do so. I did order the alliance to defend you because I thought you to be loyal member of my alliance and I defend those who are loyal as long as it takes.

Your pathetic attempts to save face by buttering up those who are fighting us and making up lies about me, sicken me.

As so many pointed out this is just a game, yet you need to rely on such underhanded actions and even here where you cannot really lose anything real, you don't have the courage to fight.

Also since this made me post here anyway, let me clarify a few things.

1. thanks for the publicity. I must have really left a big impression on all of you. The amount of love letters I get from you all is astounding, yet a bit creepy too. Keep it up though since some are quite entertaining. Not those from Yuller though, he seems to have a hard time forming simple sentences without adding vulgar insults to every half-sentence. Pretty boring. However the way he kept sending more like a good dog brings back the thrown stick to his owner is kinda cute though.

2.Do you even realise how ridiculous you all look? My alliance of mostly "carebears" made BAW,who claim to be the best highsec-mercs, retreat almost everytime we found them. Then the first POCOs from BAWs Poco holding corp went down and I guess that made them pressure POH to turn on us. Only after that happened the other mercs started growing balls and decced us. Yet even with that you barely have anything to show for it. Half our losses are from PIRAT and the rest are mainly miner etc from Colonial Cartel who refused to teach their new recruits proper behaviour during war. And now you call in every merc to dec us because you are apprently unable to keep us on low profile on your own.

3.You (BAW) are lucky that Jacks cowardice held me back. If he hadn't reduced morale amongst the alliance directors we would have fought you for real. Burn your clients, went after your POCOs. Proof your incompetence. Unless you have the overwhelming advantage you run after all. We only fought you to defend structures so you could dictate the flow of battle. Had he not stood in my way we would have gone on the offensive. You can run and hide, your assets in space and your clients cannot.

4. You (Zeus) seem to missunderstand something here. I never once thought you are reliant on our money. After all you told me how you made money. You're probably much richer than I am. That does not matter however. We had a contract with clear terms. We pay for certain military services and you broke said agreement, as did scandor.
You may claim I'm an ******* etc to justify your actions but we both know we had a pretty good business relationship before. Hell I could even post your last mail. Which I have a hard time understanding btw, as if I'd ever let your pointless betrayal slip and forgive you. You know me.Also you didn't just break our contract, you repeatedly gave me your word that you'd at least stay neutral. To be honest there are few people who I have less respect for than for people who break their promises.
I never understood why you bragged about your prior betrayal of another former client (GSE) btw. I cannot fathom what kind of person would be proud of repeated betrayal.

5. You (scandor) should be more carefull with what you post, that video, is not only something that I could get you banned for, it's also a criminal offense and I could file a lawsuit against you if I really cared.
That said, you are really the most pathetic so-called merc I have ever encountered. first time I hired you, you shat your pants when you saw the enemy fleet and all you were talking about was running away. I had to bring over Ju0zas to calm you down.
then this time, 1 or 2 days after you assured me that you would fight BAW if it came down to it, you failed to follow through. The amount of excuses you made was ridiculous. But whats even more amusing is how you reacted to my following mail.
Anyone with even the remotest bit of courage would have decced us then and there or assisted against BAW. And what did you do? Nothing, you did absolutely nothing. Apparently you are good at doing nothing. You didn't even have the courage to talk back to me. Sariah had to reply in your stead, who is btw apparently the only decent person in a leadership position in your alliance as far as I can tell. You're lucky to have such a loyal person who can look past your uselessness and cowardice. Not sure what she's seeing there though.
I guess you were too busy to decide who you were more afriad of, BAW or me.

You can ask pretty much any director, I knew you'd betray us if you ever saw an opportunity. I was already considering when to take care of you. Lucky for you POH decided throw away their honor and betrayed us before we could settle things with BAW and focus on you. Ofc you still took a bit of time, after all you probably had to make sure that Tora would hold your hand through the troubles ahead. In the end it require at least 4 merc groups to fight us ( a so-called carebear alliance), before you decced us.



So did any in BAW just get Bingo?
#DeleteTheWeak
Yuller
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2015-08-05 09:37:12 UTC
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!Twisted
Archeras Umangiar
Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere.
We're all going to die.
#94 - 2015-08-05 10:35:36 UTC
Being on Preatorians side... they is only one thing i can post as an advice to preatorian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tukQDg22o9M&feature=youtu.be&t=41s (preatorians are the bads ofc)
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
#95 - 2015-08-05 10:49:32 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Their leader, Sengier is a raging douche, intensely arrogant and rude in a way that makes me and Yuller look like reasonable, well adjusted people.



That's all I need to hear. Burn it to the ******* ground!
Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy
Dead Terrorists
#96 - 2015-08-05 12:29:24 UTC
Sengier wrote:
...stuff...

1. thanks for the publicity. I must have really left a big impression on all of you. The amount of love letters I get from you all is astounding, yet a bit creepy too. Keep it up though since some are quite entertaining. Not those from Yuller though, he seems to have a hard time forming simple sentences without adding vulgar insults to every half-sentence. Pretty boring. However the way he kept sending more like a good dog brings back the thrown stick to his owner is kinda cute though.

2.Do you even realise how ridiculous you all look? My alliance of mostly "carebears" made BAW,who claim to be the best highsec-mercs, retreat almost everytime we found them. Then the first POCOs from BAWs Poco holding corp went down and I guess that made them pressure POH to turn on us. Only after that happened the other mercs started growing balls and decced us. Yet even with that you barely have anything to show for it. Half our losses are from PIRAT and the rest are mainly miner etc from Colonial Cartel who refused to teach their new recruits proper behaviour during war. And now you call in every merc to dec us because you are apprently unable to keep us on low profile on your own.

3.You (BAW) are lucky that Jacks cowardice held me back. If he hadn't reduced morale amongst the alliance directors we would have fought you for real. Burn your clients, went after your POCOs. Proof your incompetence. Unless you have the overwhelming advantage you run after all. We only fought you to defend structures so you could dictate the flow of battle. Had he not stood in my way we would have gone on the offensive. You can run and hide, your assets in space and your clients cannot.

4. You (Zeus) seem to missunderstand something here. I never once thought you are reliant on our money. After all you told me how you made money. You're probably much richer than I am. That does not matter however. We had a contract with clear terms. We pay for certain military services and you broke said agreement, as did scandor.
You may claim I'm an ******* etc to justify your actions but we both know we had a pretty good business relationship before. Hell I could even post your last mail. Which I have a hard time understanding btw, as if I'd ever let your pointless betrayal slip and forgive you. You know me.Also you didn't just break our contract, you repeatedly gave me your word that you'd at least stay neutral. To be honest there are few people who I have less respect for than for people who break their promises.
I never understood why you bragged about your prior betrayal of another former client (GSE) btw. I cannot fathom what kind of person would be proud of repeated betrayal.

5. You (scandor) should be more carefull with what you post, that video, is not only something that I could get you banned for, it's also a criminal offense and I could file a lawsuit against you if I really cared.
That said, you are really the most pathetic so-called merc I have ever encountered. first time I hired you, you shat your pants when you saw the enemy fleet and all you were talking about was running away. I had to bring over Ju0zas to calm you down.
then this time, 1 or 2 days after you assured me that you would fight BAW if it came down to it, you failed to follow through. The amount of excuses you made was ridiculous. But whats even more amusing is how you reacted to my following mail.
Anyone with even the remotest bit of courage would have decced us then and there or assisted against BAW. And what did you do? Nothing, you did absolutely nothing. Apparently you are good at doing nothing. You didn't even have the courage to talk back to me. Sariah had to reply in your stead, who is btw apparently the only decent person in a leadership position in your alliance as far as I can tell. You're lucky to have such a loyal person who can look past your uselessness and cowardice. Not sure what she's seeing there though.
I guess you were too busy to decide who you were more afriad of, BAW or me.

You can ask pretty much any director, I knew you'd betray us if you ever saw an opportunity. I was already considering when to take care of you. Lucky for you POH decided throw away their honor and betrayed us before we could settle things with BAW and focus on you. Ofc you still took a bit of time, after all you probably had to make sure that Tora would hold your hand through the troubles ahead. In the end it require at least 4 merc groups to fight us ( a so-called carebear alliance), before you decced us.

This is so very fascinating, pray elaborate.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#97 - 2015-08-05 13:21:58 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:

This is so very fascinating, pray elaborate.

Don't you dare. BAW already got bingo I don't think we need to get KENO too

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#98 - 2015-08-05 14:24:34 UTC
The only bingo card I have is specifically for miners, does someone have a more generic one or do I have to go make one for future reference?
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2015-08-05 14:29:31 UTC
Sengier wrote:
You didn't even have the courage to talk back to me. Sariah had to reply in your stead, who is btw apparently the only decent person in a leadership position in your alliance as far as I can tell. You're lucky to have such a loyal person who can look past your uselessness and cowardice. Not sure what she's seeing there though.


Ummm...Thanks...but why does everyone always forget the first H in my name? :(

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy
Dead Terrorists
#100 - 2015-08-05 14:34:09 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Sengier wrote:
You didn't even have the courage to talk back to me. Sariah had to reply in your stead, who is btw apparently the only decent person in a leadership position in your alliance as far as I can tell. You're lucky to have such a loyal person who can look past your uselessness and cowardice. Not sure what she's seeing there though.


Ummm...Thanks...but why does everyone always forget the first H in my name? :(

It is jaw wrenching.