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Are eve weapons so short ranged ?

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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#21 - 2015-05-24 17:19:04 UTC
Hotdock wrote:
If shooting from France to England is short ranged.


In a vaccum and outside a gravity well it really is.

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Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-05-24 18:26:03 UTC
Hotdock wrote:
If shooting from France to England is short ranged.



To be fair, going from France to England is a short distance, at least for modern missiles.
Cymorn
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-05-31 15:07:09 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Hotdock wrote:
If shooting from France to England is short ranged.


In a vaccum and outside a gravity well it really is.



The presence of a vacuum (the lack of an atmosphere) actually simplifies the firing solutions.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#24 - 2015-05-31 20:27:42 UTC
Cymorn wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Hotdock wrote:
If shooting from France to England is short ranged.


In a vaccum and outside a gravity well it really is.



The presence of a vacuum (the lack of an atmosphere) actually simplifies the firing solutions.


It makes the math easier, it usually makes hitting the target harder. Relative velocities get real crazy real fast.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-05-31 22:28:53 UTC
It would be nice to have more short storys abaut the technicall aspects of eve like the speed of ships, the range of weapons stuff like that or at least some mention of them.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#26 - 2015-06-01 03:35:09 UTC
Watch the Alliance Tournament, ships that stand still get blapped a lot faster than ships that keep moving, the faster the better.

Targeting in a vacuum would be incredibly tough because as demonstrated in Babylon 5 and Battlestar Gallactica (newest version) vessels do not have to maintain linear flight paths. Anticipating an evasive pattern in a vacuum would be a nightmare for a gunner.

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solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-06-11 03:11:56 UTC
I though that ranges were that short for the sake of gameplay. What? there are no confirmation of ccp personel abaut that.
Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-06-12 02:48:54 UTC
Frigates and destroyers have a typical maximum engagement range of around 10 km for close ranged weapons (auto cannons, blasters, pulse lasers, and rockets) and 20 - 30 km for their long-range counterparts. This is a much larger effective engagement area than a modern tank, and sounds roughly on par with most destroyer-class naval ship weapons. Which makes sense given that these are advanced spaceships roughly the same size as a large aircraft.
Battleship weapons can far exceed this, with some rail-fits able to theoretically shoot across the width of a grid (a typical grid has a 250km radius) or roughly the same distance from London to Paris. This isn't exactly knife-fight distance, and while some weapon systems in EVE could theoretically strike out to well beyond those ranges, these distances are most likely given as effective engagement range, rather than absolute range.


As for orbital bombardment; earth's atmosphere is not that thick - roughly 100 km straight up, and you're in 'space'. Or put another way, if your car could drive straight up, it would take you about an hour to reach space via the freeway. Given that weapon ranges in EVE are effective range rather than absolute, it makes sense that even a frigate or destroyer would be able to rain down hellfire into an engagement zone. When you also consider that a planet won't be maneuvering, it simplifies much of the firing solution.


The worst weapon system for orbitals by the way would be blasters, followed by lasers; both of which would experience diffusion due to atmospheric interference.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#29 - 2015-08-03 20:26:56 UTC
A favorite episode of the original Star Trek series is when they reencounter the Romulins. The Enterprise must warp off trying to avoid the disruptor ball of energy fired at them, it slowly loses power over a great distance and does minimal damage to the Enterprise when it hits.

That is followed by the Enterprise firing torpedoes depth charge style in the direction they think the cloaked Romulin vessel is traveling, all in all a good space combat episode of that series.

Greater distances were exhibited in Star Ship Troopers where bugs hurled asteroids from their home system all the way to Earth. Of course the Earth had no way to take evasive movement but still the calculating required to hit targets on a distant planet is mind boggling.

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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#30 - 2015-08-05 11:41:48 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
A favorite episode of the original Star Trek series is when they reencounter the Romulins. The Enterprise must warp off trying to avoid the disruptor ball of energy fired at them, it slowly loses power over a great distance and does minimal damage to the Enterprise when it hits.

That is followed by the Enterprise firing torpedoes depth charge style in the direction they think the cloaked Romulin vessel is traveling, all in all a good space combat episode of that series.

Greater distances were exhibited in Star Ship Troopers where bugs hurled asteroids from their home system all the way to Earth. Of course the Earth had no way to take evasive movement but still the calculating required to hit targets on a distant planet is mind boggling.


The Bugs also hurled the asteroids through hyperspace, since it didn't take them many thousands of years to reach Earth. Now that was an impressive achievement. P
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