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I agree with this thread. Assault frigates should have their own more unique role, as opposed to being just a heavier tackle. The best way to do this would be to give them an AB bonus instead of a MWD bonus.

Not that I like the MWD sig rad bonus, but 200% velocity bonus + AFs with oversized 10MN AB sounds like a terrible idea

Or i could, you know grab my vindicator dual 90% webs comes to a 99% velocity loss, so going 2km/s thats now, what 20m/s? or grab a curse and neut the AB off, or grab my loki and blap it at 30km after webbing it twice, there is still larger solutions, many of them, some even BS sized.

CCP tried an AB speed bonus on Sisi. It was an unsuccessful experiment. We just ended up with 4 km/s untackle-able Jaguars easymoding around, it just made the good AFs better without helping the bad ones - or the ones designed to operate at range.

A blanket AB bonus could conceivably work, but it would require very careful balancing of AF speed - meaning taking the nerfhammer to the Jaguar and Ishkur, basically.

Also, whatever happens to the AFs, afterwards lol Worm?

So make it 100%.

Or even 50%, just something to make it unique.

As someone who flys Ishkurs exclusively, I agree an AB boost would be better than an MWD boost. AFs are already difficult to fit with an AB a MWD would make it even worse. Additionally, I find AFs to be too slow for an MWD to matter anyway; a lot can outrun you even though you're in a frigate. An AB would help more to give assault frigates some extra advantage when engaging at close range, which makes sense as they are supposed to be the kings of close range frigate fights.

CCP just listen to us on this one PLEASE

As much as I think assault frigs should be for straight up brawls, you shouldn't make MWDs on assault frigates completely obsolete. I think that the current MWD bonus unfairly boosts a style of fitting that isn't widely accepted, or useful for that matter. If you were to boost speed, how about a straight speed bonus to make both AB *AND* MWD assault frigates viable? The more options you give to people, the better.

However, I think that speed should not be boosted too much, because then you encroach on the job that interceptors do. EHP and general battle survivability are things that should be addressed, not speed.

The fail is positively bubbling to the surface in this one.

Recap for the failures:
- 3 years ago or there about, CCP added a blanket AB speed bonus to AFs and had the concept tested on SiSi.
- Prior to SiSi testing the players cursed with common sense argued that it would make them so hilariously OP that not only would nothing else be used except in blobs but pilots would never be able to stop laughing maniacally when flying them.
- We (yes, I am burdened with common sense) further argued that it would widen the performance gaps within the AF class to an untenable degree.
- Testing proved both points to be bang on in all respects .. common sense: 2, Idiocy: 0.

Now you suggest a bonus that is even higher than the one tested in addition to added slots and tanks?

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/me takes in extra air
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So balance the AB bonus so it's not OP?

You can still give the ship an AB bonus that's balanced, just suggest how to balance it instead of being a douche.

This is a lot more reasonable.

The problem with the AB bonus last time was always the amount (75%) and the 10MN setups on certain ships; for the record, this was the discussion back then http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1179512/page/1. Conceptually there's nothing wrong with it, because it does help with the role as sturdier tackle. It also doesn't step on the toes of Interceptors, who get to keep their bonus exclusive.