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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-08-04 13:57:58 UTC
As discussed here, I have some ideas. You should read them.

tldr;
- Reduce sov command nodes
- Only BS's and larger can entosis
- Nerf stealth-bombers and rebalance BC's and above warp speeds around 2.7 AU.
- Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content.
- Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80%
- Lock safeties to green in hisec. Remove wardecs. To pew you must leave hisec.
- Improve ship-replacement insurance. Inspire more pew.

If EvE is to finally grow beyond 10+ years of relative stagnation, bold steps must be taken to align new-player aquiring stories with null-centric warfare reality. Aegis SOV isn't the issue, Aegis SOV not going far enough is the issue.

tldr;
EvE should be the great burger shop it once was, not try to also sell sub-par salads to vegans (or fish-sticks). Make the best burger you can, and get everyone eating that. When media always inspires new customers to walk into the store based on stories about big juicy burgers, stop handing them a f#cking salad.

F

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-08-04 14:24:32 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
- Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content.


HAHAHAHAHA

Cute troll, 2/10.
Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#3 - 2015-08-04 14:31:47 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
- Only BS's and larger can entosis


"Dear CCP, please fix the game so we can drop our dreads and blap titans on anything threatening our unused region then log off again for another month."
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-08-04 14:33:42 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


- Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content.
- Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80%
- Lock safeties to green in hisec. Remove wardecs. To pew you must leave hisec.
.



Obviously he is trolling... or he simply doesn't understand EVE
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-08-04 14:34:27 UTC
Shobon Welp wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
- Only BS's and larger can entosis


"Dear CCP, please fix the game so we can drop our dreads and blap titans on anything threatening our unused region then log off again for another month."


CCP wrote:
"There won't be troll ceptors.."

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-08-04 14:35:57 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


- Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content.
- Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80%
- Lock safeties to green in hisec. Remove wardecs. To pew you must leave hisec.
.



Obviously he is trolling... or he simply doesn't understand EVE

Oh ye have little faith.

My eyes have opened.

I am deadly serious.

F

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Arla Sarain
#7 - 2015-08-04 14:50:22 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:



- Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content.


Excluding incursions, hisec, losec and WH income is supported and maintained by nullsec crabs.
A very large majority of the ISK available for trading comes from NS.
HS, LS and WH just redistribute it.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2015-08-04 14:52:40 UTC
Oh boy, I used to have a lot of respect for Black Legion - used to. It just went out of the window.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#9 - 2015-08-04 14:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyalnara
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
steps must be taken to align new-player aquiring stories with null-centric warfare reality.
Good idea! Make sure newb friendly ships can participate! Frigs everywhere!



Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
- Only BS's and larger can entosis
Wait... Whut? Come on, frigs...?




Aaaaw, well, who cares about newbies anyway..?

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-08-04 14:59:32 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


CCP wrote:
"There won't be troll ceptors.."


Just put the mass increase from the t2 link on the t1 link as well and troll ceptor won't be as god damn stupid anymore. They will still be annoying but at least there will be more options with dealing with them beside remote sebo'd arazu + a gang + good ping on the arazu pilot.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#11 - 2015-08-04 15:06:07 UTC
WAIT WHAT?

You want to take all the sand out of the sandbox? If i wanted to live in nullsec i wouldnt have LEFT BYRN, CVA OR NAGA...

I suspect Baron Vladimir Harkonnen might need to have words with you on NOT BEING AN IDIOT IN PUBLIC...
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-08-04 15:28:50 UTC
FireFrenzy wrote:
WAIT WHAT?

You want to take all the sand out of the sandbox? If i wanted to live in nullsec i wouldnt have LEFT BYRN, CVA OR NAGA...

I suspect Baron Vladimir Harkonnen might need to have words with you on NOT BEING AN IDIOT IN PUBLIC...

Lets put it this way. EvE has been around for what, 10+ years, and total subscriber numbers generally remain stagnant. Sure we get spikes after a BR5 or 6VDT brawl hits gaming media, but we seem unable to convert and retain many new players to long term subscribers.

CCP acknowledges this, if only by their focus on the 'new player experience', thinking perhaps that making it easier for new players (and nerfing hisec in a vacuum), they will somehow convert these newbros into long term players...

The problem I see however is that EvE is a great burger shop, with a great burger story -- who then sells their new customers salads (or fish sticks) when they walk in the door. New players see or hear of these big battle stories, join EVE as a result, but end up on a PVE hamster wheel in hisec -- where pursuit of ISK is job #1, and risk aversion to ship losses is job #2.

We can defend status-quo thinking, supporting a continued fractured player base with gobs of people in hisec (and other areas) that prevent nullsec from ever reaching critical mass of continual media-inspiring stories, or we can consider fundamental change.

This will take courage. CCP showed some in revamping null SOV mechanics. They need to go further.

F

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Lu Ziffer
Balanced Unity
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2015-08-04 15:48:50 UTC
This thread is so fun to read.
Anyone here has watched EVE Fanfest 2014 or 2015 and listened to CCP Seagull ?
Yes great so you know we are in a process of changing EVE on bigger scale then before.
If you have listend you have an idea were it is going and it will make you smile.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#14 - 2015-08-04 16:25:10 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Your playstyle isn't the only playstyle, Feyd. First you had preached that everyone who didn't PVP was playing the game wrong. Now you're preaching that they're doing it wrong by not PVPing in sov. What's next? You move into a WH and suddenly we're playing the game wrong if we don't pray to BOB?

I like much of what is said on your blog but try to draw the line at nerfing other people's playstyles for the sake of your own. I'm happy you're exciting about null, but the game should not bend to that excitement.

-1

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#15 - 2015-08-04 16:28:16 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

- Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content.
- Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80%


Given that being a mindless F1 monkey and AFK ratting null resident is the most boring thing you can do in EVE, why would I get behind this?
Avvy
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-08-04 16:30:22 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


- Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content.
- Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80%
- Lock safeties to green in hisec. Remove wardecs. To pew you must leave hisec.
.



Obviously he is trolling... or he simply doesn't understand EVE

Oh ye have little faith.

My eyes have opened.

I am deadly serious.

F


You could have fooled me in fact you did.

No way would I have believed you were being serious.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-08-04 16:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
Your playstyle isn't the only playstyle, Feyd. First you had preached that everyone was playing the game wrong by not saving highsec. Now you're preaching that they're doing it wrong by not playing sov. What's next? You move into a WH and suddenly we're playing the game wrong if we don't pray to BOB?

I like much of what is said on your blog but try to draw the line at nerfing other people's playstyles for the sake of your own. I'm happy you're exciting about null, but the game should not bend to that excitement.

-1

Fully understand what you mean by playstyle, but lets not make this about me; I have already lived in a WH, I've also lived in hisec, losec and yes now nullsec, so its that sum of those experiences that guide where I am coming from now.

My assertion remains that for EvE to break the glass ceiling of mediocre total subscriber numbers after 10+ years, CCP needs to better harness the majority of its players into one zone of play, for critical mass of content and stories that hit the media to continually drive new player acquisition. Not only that, but better align said media and marketting to reality of play, instead of handing new players a safe zone and a PVE hamster wheel as 'endgame' play.

My opinion is that nullsec is the best place to do this, based on membership spikes observed already coming out of wars in BR5, 6VDT etc.

tldr;
If you think EvE is just fine and healthy as is, ignore everything I have to say.
If you however think EvE is stagnant and should grow, give what I said a read with an open mind.

F

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#18 - 2015-08-04 17:18:16 UTC
Oh noes, I didn't pray to BOB yesterday, please don't punish me.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#19 - 2015-08-04 18:02:27 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

tldr;
If you think EvE is just fine and healthy as is, ignore everything I have to say.
If you however think EvE is stagnant and should grow, give what I said a read with an open mind.

F


TLDR; if you think proposed changes are a menace to the Eve we want to keep alive, say it.


And i think what you proposed would hurt what CCP is trying to get here: a fast paced, dynamic sov. BS and bigger are definitely NOT fast passed.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#20 - 2015-08-04 19:03:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Vic Jefferson
Now, I get your hate for High Sec. Any intelligent person understands that it literally asphyxiates content in all other places due to the availability, accessibility, and quality of its income generating opportunities with no real risk to offset the reward. This is reasonable entirely.

Why lowsec? Sure FW may need a stern looking at, but honestly if it is actually fuelling lowsec alliances doing lowsec things, rather than just being populated and exploited by alts, why is it a bad thing? Honestly Lowsec residents know how to have fun, shoot things, and otherwise generate content. If anything Low (and NPC Null) need a substantial buff such that new players have a place to live that isn't the monotony of High, or Sov. Not everyone wants to be part of huge group - part of the charm of the game is personal interaction, which can be rather hard to get in a huge sov alliance. They should be sanctuaries for people who seek adventure and risk.

Why WHs? They are perhaps (on paper) closest to the ideal risk/reward ratio in the game. Again, they have their enthusiasts and people who love the game play unique to those zones.

Take a good look at the AT teams. You are going to see lots of lowsec, WH, and NPC nullsec groups there, because those regions have traditionally be the realm of small gang stuff. Maybe things will change as FozzieSov progresses, but why would you want to basically further make bad regions worse, which could be content forests rather than deserts? Why do you think those three places do not have a future in EvE? You offer very few explanations rather than just pontificating a grocery list.

It's EvE online, not SovWarz Online™. Fixing the resource availability/quality/accessibility disparity between security sectors is a good thing that needs to be done, but crushing play styles isn't going to make the game better, or have more players.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
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