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Aunsou = new low sec Jita?
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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#1 - 2015-08-04 08:28:31 UTC
Hi.

During last month Jita sell order numbers droped from 106 thousands to 98. But it is not the point. At the same time sell numbers in Aunsou (Aunsou IV - Moon 3 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory) raised from nothing to almost 4 thousand. Thats the point. Now it is most violent non-FW low sec system and largest low-sec trade hub.

The question is : for how long?

Apparently it all is matter of brave newbees settling down and bring tons of action into deserted part of PlacId region far far away. Will it stay like this for next few months or even years? Will this market be supported by FW pilots / professional traders? Or it will stay pirates heaven untill brave newbees will decide to move on. After all this market was made "over night" in the middle of July and so it can disappear just as quick...

What do you think?

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#2 - 2015-08-04 08:37:02 UTC
I think battery powered vaporizers are a really inefficient method of consuming cannabis.
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-08-04 08:49:00 UTC
I think CODE should do some ganking there.

Been around since the beginning.
Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#4 - 2015-08-04 09:27:46 UTC
Anything's a market builder if you're BRAVE enough.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#5 - 2015-08-04 09:48:02 UTC
Barleguet also used to be a hub, but died when Brave moved on. Aunsou will also dry up as a hub entirely when Brave moves again - if Brave is not there, it's just as you say; worthless non-FW lowsec.

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Avvy
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-08-04 10:26:02 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Hi.

During last month Jita sell order numbers droped from 106 thousands to 98. But it is not the point. At the same time sell numbers in Aunsou (Aunsou IV - Moon 3 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory) raised from nothing to almost 4 thousand. Thats the point. Now it is most violent non-FW low sec system and largest low-sec trade hub.

The question is : for how long?

Apparently it all is matter of brave newbees settling down and bring tons of action into deserted part of PlacId region far far away. Will it stay like this for next few months or even years? Will this market be supported by FW pilots / professional traders? Or it will stay pirates heaven untill brave newbees will decide to move on. After all this market was made "over night" in the middle of July and so it can disappear just as quick...

What do you think?



So Jita has about 100k items for sale and Aunsou has about 4k.

On those figures if I was going to make a trader then I'd go to Jita. But then I wouldn't be moving anything just buying and selling from the same station.

4k might be a lot for Aunsou but it isn't much. might be ok for an alt of a trader as long as they could cover the region and not many other people were.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7 - 2015-08-04 10:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Stacmon V-9 Fed Navy is still the best regional market in the area.

The issue with Aunsou is that as the home station of Brave, there is constant action on the undock and on the gates.

- Cynosural Field Theory lives just two jumps away in Covryn
- Eve-uni are four jumps away in Uphallant
- Camels and many others hang around in Ostingele two jumps away
- Black Legion left Vestouve quite a while ago yet there are still some around

So Aunsou is just like Barlequet was when Brave were there, although lower numbers in system on average then there was back in those days.

As a result, the system is a magnet for every pirate, roaming fleet in the area and fleets from other major Corps in surrounding systems.

Stacmon on the other hand is used by all of those Corps/Alliances and has been established for a long time. Despite wardecs from Terra Australis and a couple of others, a lot of Brave seem to be using Stacmon too (as they did when in Barl).

If you are wanting to stock a market or find convenient purchases, Stacmon is still better than Aunsou.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#8 - 2015-08-04 11:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
Primary This Rifter wrote:
I think battery powered vaporizers are a really inefficient method of consuming cannabis.

Very construcitve, typical Goons comment. Thank you.

d0cTeR9 wrote:
I think CODE should do some ganking there.

Are you mad? There are combat ships out there! CODE is ganking ships, that can not fight back, not those, who can.


Avvy wrote:



So Jita has about 100k items for sale and Aunsou has about 4k.

On those figures if I was going to make a trader then I'd go to Jita.


It is not about sheer numbers. It is about tendency. Some markets are dying (like Dodixie , that droped from 42 thousands to 36 during summer because camps in Villore and Ourapheh cut it out from FW), some... well, that is the question. "Should I stay or should I go?"

Scipio Artelius wrote:


If you are wanting to stick a market or find convenient purchases, Stacmon is still better than Aunsou.


Yes. And Orvolle I - Federation Navy Assembly Plant can also be called new Gallente secondary trade hub. Less orders but much bigger trade volumes. But just like pretty much lost its former glory Oursulaert III - Federation Navy Testing Facilities it is still high sec. And that what makes Aunsou IV - Moon 3 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory and Saranen V - Moon 12 - Quafe Company Warehouse so special - they are low sec. And there is plenty of players with security issues...

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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#9 - 2015-08-04 13:16:54 UTC
erg cz wrote:
And that what makes Aunsou IV - Moon 3 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory and Saranen V - Moon 12 - Quafe Company Warehouse so special - they are low sec. And there is plenty of players with security issues...

It's nothing special. If you want an established low sec trade hub you have Ostingele which is within 2 jumps of Aunsou and is far better in terms of its strategic location.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-08-04 16:21:52 UTC
erg cz wrote:
98 thousands....4 thousand

Aunsou: 4.08 percent Jita!

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Armtoe
Arton Yachting and Angling Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#11 - 2015-08-04 16:24:49 UTC
excuse me, but Arton is the lowsec Jita. It has a great market and the locals are very friendly.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#12 - 2015-08-04 17:56:03 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
[quote=erg cz] If you want an established low sec trade hub you have Ostingele which is within 2 jumps of Aunsou and is far better in terms of its strategic location.


Ostingele is a very active FW system and is a high sec / low sec border. May be that's why it has only 10% of Aunsou market.
Arton is even weaker. Plus Arton can be reached only via high sec. Both Aunsou and Saranen can be reached even from null.

But please keep this conversation going... Thank you all for any constructive response.

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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#13 - 2015-08-04 21:26:01 UTC
As others have said, BRAVE relocating to Aunsou is the reason for the system suddenly leaping into the limelight.

It currently sits at #2 for both total sell order value, and quantity of orders, as Barleguet did when BRAVE were last in Placid.

When BRAVE left for null last time it took a while for Barleguet to drop off, as active orders were allowed to expire naturally, so I'm not sure Aunsou's market share is going to evaporate overnight if they do the same again.

I'd say that Vlillirier is the main competitor now, though. I'd have said it was the major pvp market system for the region, mainly because of FW, but others must trade there too.

Despite strong market stats, Stacmon and Orvolle don't count as far as I'm concerned, because they're hisec systems and so operate under different conditions.

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Bataav

Mahesha | Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#14 - 2015-08-04 23:14:22 UTC
Bataav wrote:
As others have said, BRAVE relocating to Aunsou is the reason for the system suddenly leaping into the limelight.

It currently sits at #2 for both total sell order value, and quantity of orders, as Barleguet did when BRAVE were last in Placid.

When BRAVE left for null last time it took a while for Barleguet to drop off, as active orders were allowed to expire naturally, so I'm not sure Aunsou's market share is going to evaporate overnight if they do the same again.

I'd say that Vlillirier is the main competitor now, though. I'd have said it was the major pvp market system for the region, mainly because of FW, but others must trade there too.

Despite strong market stats, Stacmon and Orvolle don't count as far as I'm concerned, because they're hisec systems and so operate under different conditions.

[shameless plug]
And of course there's Intaki V-5...

There was a time when our efforts made headlines, but the players who did little else but mine, manufacture and trade, all day every day have since retired, and so we've slipped down the rankings over time.
[/shameless plug]




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Lenny Kravitz2
Brave Operations - Lollipop Division
#15 - 2015-08-04 23:58:08 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Hi.

During last month Jita sell order numbers droped from 106 thousands to 98. But it is not the point. At the same time sell numbers in Aunsou (Aunsou IV - Moon 3 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory) raised from nothing to almost 4 thousand. Thats the point. Now it is most violent non-FW low sec system and largest low-sec trade hub.

The question is : for how long?

Apparently it all is matter of brave newbees settling down and bring tons of action into deserted part of PlacId region far far away. Will it stay like this for next few months or even years? Will this market be supported by FW pilots / professional traders? Or it will stay pirates heaven untill brave newbees will decide to move on. After all this market was made "over night" in the middle of July and so it can disappear just as quick...

What do you think?



Brave Collective has moved to Aunsou. with the numbers they bring, so does the demand for cruiser class ships on down and the fittings for said ships.

As for your first question. My guess is 8 months minimum. Not sure after that.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-08-05 01:15:00 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
I think battery powered vaporizers are a really inefficient method of consuming cannabis.



Huh... I heard they were better than smoking it.

Course I wouldn't actually know. Roll

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Oxide Ammar
#17 - 2015-08-05 05:01:21 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
I think CODE should do some ganking there.


They don't have the balls to go to lowsec or nullsec.

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#18 - 2015-08-05 08:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
Bataav wrote:

And of course there's Intaki V-5...



Intaki, Vlillirier, Ostingele or any other FW system has serious disadvantage IMHO. Their soverenity can be changed over night. Now squids can not buy there. Later gallente can be blocked... No fun in using alts or contracts or whatever is necessary to retrieve your blocked posessions. Aunsou offers 4 exits, 9 stations, all kind of services including 2 research stations etc... That is much more than can offer Saranen. Even Vlillirier does not offer cloning, for example. Will it be enough to remains active trade system after BRAVE will be gone?

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George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2015-08-05 11:51:29 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Bataav wrote:

And of course there's Intaki V-5...



Intaki, Vlillirier, Ostingele or any other FW system has serious disadvantage IMHO. Their soverenity can be changed over night. Now squids can not buy there. Later gallente can be blocked... No fun in using alts or contracts or whatever is necessary to retrieve your blocked posessions. Aunsou offers 4 exits, 9 stations, all kind of services including 2 research stations etc... That is much more than can offer Saranen. Even Vlillirier does not offer cloning, for example. Will it be enough to remains active trade system after BRAVE will be gone?


Your arguments are not convincing

- why does the absence of a cloning facility matter after recent changes?
- no one in FW would ever do trade/industry/mining on a serious scale on his main

Each community creates ist own hubs in fact. Brave in Aunsou, Eve Uni will most likely be Stacmon/Slays, GalMil in Vlill, not sure about CalMil (Ichoryia?). For Brave, Aunsou is a very good choice with easy access to HS, FW LS and NPC - Null, but once they move, it will be the same deserted non FW system that it was before simply because it delivers not enough content by itself.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#20 - 2015-08-05 12:20:31 UTC
George Gouillot wrote:


- why does the absence of a cloning facility matter after recent changes?
- no one in FW would ever do trade/industry/mining on a serious scale on his main

Each community creates ist own hubs in fact. Brave in Aunsou, Eve Uni will most likely be Stacmon/Slays, GalMil in Vlill, not sure about CalMil (Ichoryia?). For Brave, Aunsou is a very good choice with easy access to HS, FW LS and NPC - Null, but once they move, it will be the same deserted non FW system that it was before simply because it delivers not enough content by itself.


Thank you for a quality input.

What recent changes you have in mind? I know only about jump clones change and if you get poded you still need a station with cloning facility to respaun.

To use an alt is a way, of cause. No doubt. But I believe not everyone want to bother with maintaining two or even three chars... Trade/industry/mining on a serios scale is a question of supply side. But there is also ppl, who are on demand side and I am not sure how big part of them do use alts. But I admit that I may be very very wrong here.

If Aunsou is a good choice for Brave is it also good choice for a number of other low security entities?

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