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War Decs: It's time for them to go away.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#141 - 2015-08-04 14:24:43 UTC
Roz Eternal wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I am going to agree with you...

*gasp*

..but not without a [price].

F


Any old excuse to [enlighten the masses]

Your quote didn't include the link. I fixed it for you, including your spelling.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#142 - 2015-08-04 14:26:54 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I did state, quite clearly, that subjective validation does not make a point. Everyone has EASY kills on their kb. You're intentionally ignoring the fact that I frequently seek out challenges
I'm intentionally ignoring your stories and looking at facts.


My stories are facts, and demonstrated on my KB. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

I respectfully ask that people do not inline-quote Lucas Kell, so my shiptoaster filter can correctly function.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2015-08-04 14:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Lucas Kell wrote:


So let me make it simple. You want to get rid of corp rolling. Corp rolling can only be used by tiny groups with no or very few assets. Therefore you want to be able to maintain wardecs with groups that are small with no or very few assets. From that alone I can declare you are looking for easy kill and that you should HTFU. Go after targets with no ability to or intention of corp rolling and you'll not see it happen.


You clearly don't play the game very often. Many a single man corp is made by someone who IS looking for easy kills. When the people he's going after hire mercs to kill him, he rolls his corp when someone challenging comes his way to dodge the dec. You're only considering one scenario because again, you're only interested in what fits your narrative. But a one-man war dec corp that is looking for easy kills also doesn't need assets. Dude, I have been around EVE on one account, just one, PVP'ing with the best of em, winning and losing. And I've seen the worst of em, the actual players that pad their kbs with cheap kills because they can't handle someone like me who actually knows how to fight. They do exist, but I'm not one of em, and I've proven that time and again to anyone that's flown with or against me. You really don't know what you're talking about.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2015-08-04 14:33:18 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I did state, quite clearly, that subjective validation does not make a point. Everyone has EASY kills on their kb. You're intentionally ignoring the fact that I frequently seek out challenges
I'm intentionally ignoring your stories and looking at facts.
My stories are facts, and demonstrated on my KB. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
No, your stories are stories. The facts are things like: 47% of your kills couldn't fight back. You saying "but this one time, at band camp, I took on 5 guys" is completely meaningless (and gross, I hope you washed).


You are intentionally missing the point now. I've already explained it to you: anyone only looking for easy kills won't have challenging ones on their KB. You need to get that through your incredibly thick skull or you will forever remain without any semblance of credibility. Not to mention there is no way you came up with any accurate percentage in the very small space of time you 'examined' my KB, no way at all. Despite that, you're right - I do go for many kills of opportunity, because who doesn't? You think I'm going to not kill someone just because they can't fight back? Doesn't work that way, kiddo, but it doesn't mean that easy is all I'm looking for, so scrub that stereotype from your narrative, or you really are just wrong about everything.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#145 - 2015-08-04 14:34:41 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
So let me make it simple. You want to get rid of corp rolling. Corp rolling can only be used by tiny groups with no or very few assets. Therefore you want to be able to maintain wardecs with groups that are small with no or very few assets. From that alone I can declare you are looking for easy kill and that you should HTFU. Go after targets with no ability to or intention of corp rolling and you'll not see it happen.
You clearly don't play the game very often. Many a single man corp is made by someone who IS looking for easy kills. When the people he's going after hire mercs to kill him, he rolls his corp when someone challenging comes his way to dodge the dec. You're only considering one scenario because again, you're only interested in what fits your narrative. But a one-man war dec corp that is looking for easy kills also doesn't need assets. Dude, I have been around EVE on one account, just one, PVP'ing with the best of em, winning and losing. And I've seen the worst of em, the actual players that pad their kbs with cheap kills because they can't handle someone like me who actually knows how to fight. They do exist, but I'm not one of em, and I've proven that time and again to anyone that's flown with or against me. You really don't know what you're talking about.
Ah, but a one-man war dec cord does need wardecs, and it's hard to wardec people then reroll your corp, since you then need to dec your targets again. If a one-man corp were wardeccing someone and they hired merc then the mercs would just join in their war. If it's a revenge dec, even without corp rolling, if one guy wants to avoid a dec he will, even if he has an alt hold the corp and just drops corp.

So no, I'm not only considering one scenario, I simply dismissed irrelevant ones.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#146 - 2015-08-04 14:36:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Stu Pendisdick wrote:
Translation of this babble: "Grr, moons!"


Unlike highsec, if people in nullsec bother you so much, you can freely go shoot at them. But you probably won't.


It is also possible to look at killboards and see how many pos are killed in this "completely risk free environment".

POS attack and defence ops are the biggest timesinks in a null alliance's regular routine.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2015-08-04 14:39:36 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
So let me make it simple. You want to get rid of corp rolling. Corp rolling can only be used by tiny groups with no or very few assets. Therefore you want to be able to maintain wardecs with groups that are small with no or very few assets. From that alone I can declare you are looking for easy kill and that you should HTFU. Go after targets with no ability to or intention of corp rolling and you'll not see it happen.
You clearly don't play the game very often. Many a single man corp is made by someone who IS looking for easy kills. When the people he's going after hire mercs to kill him, he rolls his corp when someone challenging comes his way to dodge the dec. You're only considering one scenario because again, you're only interested in what fits your narrative. But a one-man war dec corp that is looking for easy kills also doesn't need assets. Dude, I have been around EVE on one account, just one, PVP'ing with the best of em, winning and losing. And I've seen the worst of em, the actual players that pad their kbs with cheap kills because they can't handle someone like me who actually knows how to fight. They do exist, but I'm not one of em, and I've proven that time and again to anyone that's flown with or against me. You really don't know what you're talking about.
Ah, but a one-man war dec cord does need wardecs, and it's hard to wardec people then reroll your corp, since you then need to dec your targets again. If a one-man corp were wardeccing someone and they hired merc then the mercs would just join in their war. If it's a revenge dec, even without corp rolling, if one guy wants to avoid a dec he will, even if he has an alt hold the corp and just drops corp.

So no, I'm not only considering one scenario, I simply dismissed irrelevant ones.


It's not irrelevant, it's done all the time. If you think it's hard for one guy with lots of isk to dec someone, you're only deluding yourself. Likewise, what makes you think he needs to dec the same targets again? You just don't get it, you don't get to dismiss things as irrelevant if they're actually happening. Again, you demonstrate that you don't really play the game, or don't experience it enough, to know what's really going on. How can you form an accurate judgement if you don't know what's going on? You can't of course, which is why you have zero credibility.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#148 - 2015-08-04 14:40:02 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
You are intentionally missing the point now. I've already explained it to you: anyone only looking for easy kills won't have challenging ones on their KB. You need to get that through your incredibly thick skull or you will forever remain without any semblance of credibility.
Sure they will. Either for the odd occasion where they were looking for a good kill, from blind luck or from mates/alts helping pad the kb with credible kills.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Not to mention there is no way you came up with any accurate percentage in the very small space of time you 'examined' my KB, no way at all.
Go ahead and check. I'm pretty good with data. That was just a button press a couple of sql calls and a filter.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Despite that, you're right - I do go for many kills of opportunity, because who doesn't? You think I'm going to not kill someone just because they can't fight back? Doesn't work that way, kiddo, but it doesn't mean that easy is all I'm looking for, so scrub that stereotype from your narrative, or you really are just wrong about everything.
Of course not, but then I'd be surprised if you got that many though targets of opportunity only. Plus, you're CODE. You know, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#149 - 2015-08-04 14:42:58 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
It's not irrelevant, it's done all the time. If you think it's hard for one guy with lots of isk to dec someone, you're only deluding yourself. Likewise, what makes you think he needs to dec the same targets again? You just don't get it, you don't get to dismiss things as irrelevant if they're actually happening. Again, you demonstrate that you don't really play the game, or don't experience it enough, to know what's really going on. How can you form an accurate judgement if you don't know what's going on? You can't of course, which is why you have zero credibility.
Of course it's irrlevant. If he wardecs a corp then you wardec him and he rolls his corp, he loses his wardec to that corp. If he's wardeccing a corp and they hire you to get rid of him, joining as allies has the same effect as a dec. Not to mention that like I said, even if you got your wish and corp rolling were removed, he can still evade wardecs. You're scratching around for excuses for your desire to wardec tiny groups here.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#150 - 2015-08-04 14:43:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

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POS attack and defence ops are the biggest timesinks in a null alliance's regular routine.

Which can at least be accelerated and made less AIDS-like by increasing the number of dreads....

With cameltoesising however you are locked in purgatory for a fixed time, without even the satisfaction of pulling a trigger. Warm-up time should be 1 minute, and entosis time 5 minutes for a low index system; combined with reducing the actual number of nodes spawned. Right now cameltoesising is just as bad as the old HP grind, if not worse.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2015-08-04 14:43:45 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:


Remiel Pollard wrote:
Not to mention there is no way you came up with any accurate percentage in the very small space of time you 'examined' my KB, no way at all.
Go ahead and check. I'm pretty good with data. That was just a button press a couple of sql calls and a filter.


Everything else you said is too dumb to respond too, but this is worth a response. No, that is not how you do data analysis. Share your methodology, show your work, show it was OBJECTIVE, or gtfo. It's that simple. There is no way you went through over a thousand kills and losses and had a program decide what kills were, IN YOUR OPINION, 'worthwhile' or otherwise. It's such a ridiculous assertion I could almost mistake you for a chiropractor.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Tora Bushido
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#152 - 2015-08-04 14:44:12 UTC
Chance Ravinne wrote:
What if the defenders could automatically end the war by achieving some kind of fairly difficult objective? It might give them hope to stick it out.
NO, because then you would never be able to go after super large null sec alliances anymore and they have it easy enough in null sec.

And sometimes the goal of a war is total destruction. Paid for by their competitors. Twisted

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2015-08-04 14:44:41 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I have zero credibility and nothing I say matters.


Fixed every post you ever make for you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ISD FlowingSpice
ISD SYAD
ISD Alliance
#154 - 2015-08-04 14:45:31 UTC
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Plus, this should be in F&I.

This thread has run it's course, ya'll are just bickering now.

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