EVE General Discussion

The best defence is a good offence. Wardecs allow for corps that aren't centred around spaceship violence to involve corps that are centred around it via the ally mechanic; just one option of many that you can use to deal with wardecs.

The tools for industry are universally available to all, if existing industrial corps are driven into liquidation then others will rise to take their place. Eve is a game of alts where little is as it seems and ulterior motives commonplace; I know that if I was in the business of targeting miners or other industrialists I'd have an alt ready to profit from the losses of my opponents, and I know that I'm not alone in this.

There's another one of those options for dealing with a wardec, another would be using a 3rd party to move the stuff you bought on that alt to where you need it for your main.

Wardecs are fine. We just need "peacedecs" so the non-PvP types can force PvP types to play in a different way for as long as the "peacedec" lasts.

ZOMG, LEVEL 42!?!?!?! Didn't even know it was possible to get so elite!

But no, wardecs do suck though. Not so much gone, but they are due for a serious rethink.

War decs doesn't sucks. But they need some little tweaks here and there to be a little better. Because you know, there is always room for improvements.

I fully endorse this suggestion.

I kind of agree with the OP. I have played this game since 2003 and I am a pure pvper, been in all the wars, done piracy, done the highsec war thing which was fun, but its fun for the people doing the killing. Why because its actually easy kills. Yes Eve is a PvP game at its core, but eve is supposed to be a sandbox, where you can do or be anything, therefore there are a lot of people that simply do not want to PVP.
Without the miners and builders, you wouldnt have any ships or mods to fly with so pvpers need them as much as they need you. So for people slagging off the people that do this, perhaps sit back on think a little, and just because you dont like mining doesnt mean someone else shouldnt. You need these people more than you think.

Anyway back to war decs. Ive come to realise wardecs are for pvpers who are completely useless at pvp, simple as. The prey on people that simple cannot fight back or dont want to. Otherwise why are you not in low sec or WH or Null where 'real' pvp happens?

Also I have noticed in the game ccp gives with one hand and takes from the other, or puts something in place to protect something and then adds a counter to reduce that. Make your mind up ffs.

Look if you want to PVP you have low sec, FW, WH, Nullsec, NPC Nullsec. High sec is supposed to be not a pvp arena per say (god tippia please dont respond im not interested, because i know what youre going to say its too predictable) , so why put another mechanic in place that allows people to make this into a pvp arena. Either do or dont.

Its easy for me to just assist many many corps in wardecs for free! yes for free! but on the other hand you make the actual wardeccer pay alot the more they add to the list. So it doesnt really stop the issue that it was meant to.

So may say well you can only assist the defender well i dont care, i just want targets, therefore ill just go through 100s of wardecs and offer free assistance. Ta-Da you have suddenly created a huge battleground for every corp that wants to in high sec for free.

Let high sec be high sec, let miners mine, let buiilders build its only going to benefit you as a pvper, ccp in growing numbers in the end. This lets kill everything anywhere was cool 10 years ago, but now people are leaving because of it and its killing the game, and me as a vet have probably invested £1000s into this game, i really dont want my character to be lost because of a few vets crying about nothing and ccp closes down. Eve numbers are getting worse every month

And by what i have seen over many years that actually carebears are in nullsec, farming anoms, passive income on moongold, pass income on renting and thats billions and billions of easy ISK. Not like the high sec guys who mine crappy ores and make a small amout of profit. So really just leave them alone to do something they like and play your own game, because quite frankly they are not bothering you, nor do they really affect your game, youre all just being asses for the sake of being asses.
If you want easy kills then hey eve is not easy, go learn to pvp with people that will shoot back.
It reminds of the scene in Bloodsport where van damme smashes the bricks and the guys says great thats cool but bricks dont hit back. Same here...

high sec has got police to cope with bad boys, remove wardecs and let the pvp happen where it should, which is pretty much a huge area.

New Eden is a PVP arena. The whole game. If PVP was not intended in high sec, we'd be unable to target one another, or there would be some other mechanic preventing it. Instead, we can target and even shoot each other freely, albeit with a swift reaction by CONCORD in high sec if the engagement is considered illegal. If you've been here so long, you have no excuse for failing to grasp the PVP nature of EVE Online, none at all, and everything you just posted is little more than ignorance of that nature. EVE is a PVP game, no matter where you are, and the sooner you accept that, the better you'll do at the game.

For the record, I've PVP'd in all 'secs', and it's no more or less 'real' in any one of them than it is in another. Different tactics and strategies are required in each, as well as different sets of skills, but I can assure you the PVP is just as real in high as it is in low, nul, and wh. Pretending that some form of PVP is not as 'real' as the one you do is nothing more than elitism, and maybe you can fool yourself with that, but good luck putting that bullcrap line past me.

But PvP involves more than "pew pew" and what wardecs currently do is allow one group to force their style of PvP on another. They are mass abused by groups wanting to farm easy kills. All they do is add arbitrary limits on the size and playstyle choice of highsec corporations who aren't specifically designed around wars. That's why groups like red-frog operate though NPC alts. It's incredibly stupid that being in a group would offer so much of a disadvantage in a game with such strong social aspects.

Until corp-rolling to avoid wardecs is solved, I have no sympathy for people that feel like a playstyle is being forced on them. None whatsoever, whether that claim is true or false, and your argument here does nothing to alter the bottom-line fact that people signing up to a PVP arena should do so expecting PVP.

Angry much?

I bet i hit the nail in your head with such a response