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Cellini Benvenuto
Ephemeral Syzygy
#41 - 2015-08-02 17:07:18 UTC
I'm just a newbie who plays solo... but a counter-proposal: why not move all L4s to lowsec as well? Lowsec is the most fun place to be. No big trouble with Concord. No sovereignty. It is true free for all with some great people around! Personally, I think anything that allows you to make big isk without big risk is:
a) not fun.
b) counterproductive to eve.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#42 - 2015-08-02 17:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Daniela Doran wrote:


Have you got ganked doing these Lev 5's? If not, how do you avoid em, Watching local?


General rules for successful operations in NPC 0.0 or low sec.

Watching local is a start. Local is by far the most powerful intel tool in the game.

The beauty of missions (or escalations) is that the enemy has to use combat probes to find you. If anyone not friendly is in local with you, pay attention to d-scan and get out of the site as soon as you see combat probes on d-scan.

Make instant undock points on all the stations.

Make perches on all the stations.

Make off-grid pings on all the gates.

Make perches on all the gates.

Make at least one safe spot per system. If possible, more than 14.5 AU from the nearest celestial object and not in line with any two celestial objects.

0.0 and low sec systems with connections to high sec are the most dangerous systems in Eve. Find ways to avoid them when possible. WH's can be awesome for this... Careful timing and scouting also helps a lot.

Never warp directly gate-to-gate. Always warp to your ping or your perch. A lot can happen during a 30 AU warp at 3 AU/second.

Figure out ways to avoid traveling gate-to-gate in your mission ship. This may mean keeping a mission ship in each system where you typically get missions. Or it may mean using a cloaky nullified T3 and a mobile depot.

When in doubt, use a scout.

If it feels wrong, don't do it.

If it looks like a trap, it is.

If just one person is coming after your big, powerful ship, he probably has friends nearby.

Many, many nice ships have died because someone thought "just one more rat."

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#43 - 2015-08-02 23:54:58 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is.


If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm?


No. L4 Missions, mining, and exploration in hisec earn more than enough isk to make one space rich; it just takes time. Incursions are just a faster way to make isk.

Of course, if you really want to be a space trillioniare, then start playing the market. That is where the real isk is to be earned.

Now if you want a challenge, go do some pvp.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#44 - 2015-08-03 00:01:00 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:


Have you got ganked doing these Lev 5's? If not, how do you avoid em, Watching local?


General rules for successful operations in NPC 0.0 or low sec.

Watching local is a start. Local is by far the most powerful intel tool in the game.

The beauty of missions (or escalations) is that the enemy has to use combat probes to find you. If anyone not friendly is in local with you, pay attention to d-scan and get out of the site as soon as you see combat probes on d-scan.

Make instant undock points on all the stations.

Make perches on all the stations.

Make off-grid pings on all the gates.

Make perches on all the gates.

Make at least one safe spot per system. If possible, more than 14.5 AU from the nearest celestial object and not in line with any two celestial objects.

0.0 and low sec systems with connections to high sec are the most dangerous systems in Eve. Find ways to avoid them when possible. WH's can be awesome for this... Careful timing and scouting also helps a lot.

Never warp directly gate-to-gate. Always warp to your ping or your perch. A lot can happen during a 30 AU warp at 3 AU/second.

Figure out ways to avoid traveling gate-to-gate in your mission ship. This may mean keeping a mission ship in each system where you typically get missions. Or it may mean using a cloaky nullified T3 and a mobile depot.

When in doubt, use a scout.

If it feels wrong, don't do it.

If it looks like a trap, it is.

If just one person is coming after your big, powerful ship, he probably has friends nearby.

Many, many nice ships have died because someone thought "just one more rat."


What an incredible post, so much to learn and soo much more to google...lol. Eve has got to be the deepest game ever created, there's always something new to learn and discover. Diomedes looks like I was right about you, ty. I'm adding you bluely on all my alts when I get the chance and I'm gonna keep this post favorite tagged for reference cause it's gonna take awhile (of googling) for me to fully comprehend and utilize all the advice you've given me from this post.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#45 - 2015-08-03 00:09:43 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is.


If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm?


No. L4 Missions, mining, and exploration in hisec earn more than enough isk to make one space rich; it just takes time. Incursions are just a faster way to make isk.

Of course, if you really want to be a space trillioniare, then start playing the market. That is where the real isk is to be earned.

Now if you want a challenge, go do some pvp.


Yea I get it and it's fine for level 5's to stay in low sec. Lack of knowledge was what caused my fear of bringing decent ships into low/null/wh space. And from what I just read from Diomedes great post, those fears were justified. I'll stay in high-sec for awhile longer until I master the power of google to learn the art of survival in eve before I venture into dangerous space.
Anthar Thebess
#46 - 2015-08-03 08:03:32 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Just because you don't want to take your marauder to lowsec doesn't mean nobody runs L5 missions.

We already have high-difficulty PVE in hisec called Incursions.


That require groups of 12. I'm talking about for 2 or 3 individuals. And not everyone have the tolerance to listen to drunkards babbling about personal issues on comms like it's some mid-life crisis hotline.

Then do them in lowsec.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#47 - 2015-08-03 10:32:28 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is.


If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm?


No. L4 Missions, mining, and exploration in hisec earn more than enough isk to make one space rich; it just takes time. Incursions are just a faster way to make isk.

Of course, if you really want to be a space trillioniare, then start playing the market. That is where the real isk is to be earned.

Now if you want a challenge, go do some pvp.


Yea I get it and it's fine for level 5's to stay in low sec. Lack of knowledge was what caused my fear of bringing decent ships into low/null/wh space. And from what I just read from Diomedes great post, those fears were justified. I'll stay in high-sec for awhile longer until I master the power of google to learn the art of survival in eve before I venture into dangerous space.


The only way to learn is by doing. Get out there and give it a try. If you do some proper research and scouting beforehand, you should be able to find a nice area. Between www.eve-agents.com, www.dotlan.com, and the killboard websites, you should be able to learn where you want to go, how risky it is there, and who to be most afraid of in that area.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-08-03 11:29:53 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
No. Just because you can't be bothered to do them in lowsec, does not mean they should be moved back to hisec. Too much easy isk in hisec as it is.


If you're referring to incursions please refer to one of my previous post in this thread. That only leaves SOE missions which if it wasn't for, I doubt I'd still be playing this game. So what other High-Sec isk sink you're referring too, hmm?


No. L4 Missions, mining, and exploration in hisec earn more than enough isk to make one space rich; it just takes time. Incursions are just a faster way to make isk.

Of course, if you really want to be a space trillioniare, then start playing the market. That is where the real isk is to be earned.

Now if you want a challenge, go do some pvp.


Yea I get it and it's fine for level 5's to stay in low sec. Lack of knowledge was what caused my fear of bringing decent ships into low/null/wh space. And from what I just read from Diomedes great post, those fears were justified. I'll stay in high-sec for awhile longer until I master the power of google to learn the art of survival in eve before I venture into dangerous space.


The only way to learn is by doing. Get out there and give it a try. If you do some proper research and scouting beforehand, you should be able to find a nice area. Between www.eve-agents.com, www.dotlan.com, and the killboard websites, you should be able to learn where you want to go, how risky it is there, and who to be most afraid of in that area.


Alright, I'll give it a try with 2 platinum insured T2 fitted RR Domis. Do you happen to know how to set up SiSi without crashing TQ?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#49 - 2015-08-03 11:39:53 UTC
i prefer t3's personally, they are easier to gtfo if you see probes etc, but i just hate battleships for solo missions, but as said just watch dscan like a hawk and travel down to the hub in a ceptor and make bookmarks everywhere before taking expensive ships, when i was in a pirate alliance they did drop the lvl 5 runners quite often so i would have a scout sitting on mission gates etc.

maybe you should try some lower level missions in low/null to get the hang of running missions if you are use to highsec

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#50 - 2015-08-03 12:15:15 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
i prefer t3's personally, they are easier to gtfo if you see probes etc, but i just hate battleships for solo missions, but as said just watch dscan like a hawk and travel down to the hub in a ceptor and make bookmarks everywhere before taking expensive ships, when i was in a pirate alliance they did drop the lvl 5 runners quite often so i would have a scout sitting on mission gates etc.

maybe you should try some lower level missions in low/null to get the hang of running missions if you are use to highsec


I can fly a max Legion, but the T3Cs are nerfbound, so I decided to stop flying it to lessen the pain when the T3Cs gets sledgehammered. The MJD RR Domis should be fine, only lose about 70 mill each with insurance if I get ganked.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#51 - 2015-08-03 13:47:08 UTC
Civ Kado wrote:
You're dumb.


There's always someone who thinks he's witty and smart and lollipops writing destructive blarghargh like that.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#52 - 2015-08-03 18:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Lan Wang wrote:


maybe you should try some lower level missions in low/null to get the hang of running missions if you are use to highsec


This is my recommendation as well. Or at least spending some time in the area you think you want to check out. Spending a week developing some sense of the pattern of life will be very useful later on. You could spend this time checking out exploration sites, belt ratting, or running level 2-3 missions.

As for Sisi, I have never set it up.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#53 - 2015-08-04 00:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Cupcake1980 Mernher wrote:
I run Level 5s, solo, in a Rattlesnake. No groups of 12, no carriers, although I have 1 to do the ungated ones and you just have to be prepared to take the risk of flying a capable ship in low sec. Either that or as someone said, go collect isk farming incursions but don't complain that they need took to high sec because you're scared to take a ship.

Does that nets significantly more than farming L4s solo efficiently though?

Also note that higher security status means significantly less SP/ISK.



you get 95k lp for most missions with my skills, 8m in rewards and whatever bounties you make, idk about isk/hr tbh


Um is that as in 95000 LP for ONE mission?? Can you give me an estimate on what you make in bounties per mission? I can't fly carriers but a couple of my alts can fly Rattlers @ max in about 3 more months, Paladins are too expensive, so can 2 RR domis do level 5's?



that's 95k lp per mission yes, I only use a single passive Rattle because most missions are neut tower heavy and have a lot of hp so so in, mjd away, drop depot and ignore neut towers. I do them for Federation Customs. on some missions if you clear al the rats you could get up to 30-35m bounties iirc. I don't salvage or loot but 1 mission can drop serpentis loot, Vindi bpc, which dropped yesterday for a corpie and apparently a 1.5b implant, but we haven't had it yet.


Darn Rattlers makes me soo jealous.....sigh I wish I trained for these instead of the darn Paladins. The Rattlers are by far the most productive sub-cap ships in all of eve.
Tyape
Love the DaKa
#54 - 2015-08-04 10:14:44 UTC
Cellini Benvenuto wrote:
I'm just a newbie who plays solo... but a counter-proposal: why not move all L4s to lowsec as well? Lowsec is the most fun place to be. No big trouble with Concord. No sovereignty. It is true free for all with some great people around! Personally, I think anything that allows you to make big isk without big risk is:
a) not fun.
b) counterproductive to eve.

You are my favorite person of the day.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#55 - 2015-08-22 16:42:45 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Just because you don't want to take your marauder to lowsec doesn't mean nobody runs L5 missions.

We already have high-difficulty PVE in hisec called Incursions.


Wow literally the first response was about incursions.

Incursions aren't even hard, what is your argument again? It's nit like people will be able to use carriers in their highsec l5s and there are all kinds of ugly ways to mess with people for example proccing early spawns and getting the sitr runner killed and then just looting his wreck.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2015-08-22 17:48:48 UTC
high sec should be as much like the "trial version" of eve as it can.

Incursions shouldn't even exist in high sec, concord should be able to take them out alone.

Level 4s should be the highest form of income there, far too many people play in high sec and don't contribute to any content in the game.

Art of Explosions
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#57 - 2015-08-22 19:35:51 UTC
Level 5 missions would be very nice in high sec so 3 people could run them.
It would be like mini incursion because you need at least 2-3 people do to them normally.
Iguanoid
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2015-08-28 11:15:20 UTC
Some of the lvl 5 missions can be run in under 10 minutes. They took them out of hi sec for a reason, and they are really not hard to solo in a passive tengu. Leave them where they are, they are fine.

Most of the lvl 5 storylines still pop in hi sec for what its worth.

Risk / reward, um, you know. Stuff
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-08-28 12:20:44 UTC
Iguanoid wrote:
Some of the lvl 5 missions can be run in under 10 minutes. They took them out of hi sec for a reason, and they are really not hard to solo in a passive tengu. Leave them where they are, they are fine.

Most of the lvl 5 storylines still pop in hi sec for what its worth.

Risk / reward, um, you know. Stuff


Tell me which Level 5's are actually worth running?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#60 - 2015-08-28 12:36:18 UTC
the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*