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How is it? We're not losing space. It's easymode as it is, it's just boring as sin. Nearly nobody wants to take the space and nobody that does wants to commit the resources to taking the space. Because you can just throw a handful of disposable ships around and watch the defenders running around defending, that's all that gets done. Once the novelty wears off, even that will become boring and there will be even less conflict in null. Excuse me for thinking the idea of this change was to make people actually fight each other. I guess it was really because people love chasing cheap ships designed not to be caught. That's why the ACU is soaring, right?

It used to be mixed in with actually fights. Of course people will run from fights they won't win, but fights use to occur. Now an all out battle is like ooh, 2b killed. The vast majority of people contesting the sov don't even have interest in actually taking it. Sorry mate, but going from 4k player battles to this crazy "whack a mole with disposable ships" is not an improvement.

Watching all these "grr goons" types crawling out of the woodwork fapping and saying "yeah CCP make null more boring" is quite hilarious though, so I guess there's that.

There is no mandatory chasing involved. Structures don't move.

If there are command nodes, then you already screwed-up by not preventing reinforcement.

Entosis links are far better for getting fights than SBUs.

Everybody wants that. But new groups were not able to move into Dominion Sov and take anything due to the mechanics that allowed for passive in absentia defense via huge HP numbers. What the Aegis Sov system is designed to do is give more groups room to expand into null and take that sov. It does this by deliberately making it a complete pain in the ass for anybody to defend a system displaced from where they spend their time, in the hopes that they stop trying to defend it, making it available for somebody else to live in it. Wasting your time defending a system you don't have anybody in is a deliberate aspect of making you consolidate into space you actually use, making your unused space available to be taken by somebody else.

We are less than three weeks into Aegis. Some people are just having fun with it by trolling. Others are having trouble adjusting. It will take some time for the borders and tactics of alliances to adjust to what their pain threshold can withstand for defending. Yes, it is possible for an alliance to play whack-a-mole and rush around chasing Interceptors and keep a tentative grasp on their Dominion Sov. That is hindering the movement of new groups into sov null. It will take time for groups historically shut out of sov to make their way in. Hopefully some are looking at the map and planning just that, and will be able to once some of the established alliances realize they need to let go of some of their systems due to the pain of holding them.

But that's not what's happening, is it? People are just running around firing entosis lasers at absolutely everything they can, whether defenders are using the space or not, an the defenders have to run around wasting their time undoing that. The people contesting sov have absolutely no intention of taking it.

I have to ask, have you actually played with the new mechanic? Because it sounds like you haven't really used it. It's boring. Insanely boring. It's much simpler to just go blow up noobs in Niarja since at least there you get to see something explode. To be honest, the idea was flawed from the getgo. They effectively took structure bashing which nobody liked then thought "wouldn't this be better if it was like mining". Turns out it's not better, surprise surprise. Considering the CSM have sat up pretty sharply, I'm hoping CCP have realised that from the incredibly lack of player surge following the release.

The stated goals are:

CCP Fozzie wrote:

Goal #1: As much as possible, ensure that the process of fighting over a star system is enjoyable and fascinating for all the players involved

Goal #2: Clarify the process of taking, holding and fighting over star systems

Goal #3: Minimize the systemic pressure to bring more people or larger ships than would be required to simply defeat your enemies on the field of battle.

Goal #4: Drastically reduce the time and effort required to conquer undefended space.

Goal #5: Provide significant strategic benefits from living in your space.

Goal #6: Spread the largest Sovereignty battles over multiple star systems to take advantage of New Eden’s varied geography and to better manage server load.

Goal #7: Any new Sovereignty system should be adaptable enough to be rapidly updated and to incorporate future changes to EVE.

You could argue goal #1, but it seems to me at least that you have chosen to be on the defensive rather than the offensive, and possibly not properly defend.

Goal #1: As much as possible, ensure that the process of fighting over a star system is enjoyable and fascinating for all the players involved

Nope, not seeing any of this.

Goal #2: Clarify the process of taking, holding and fighting over star systems

I guess, yes, it's simple enough to understand, so yeah, well done.

Goal #3: Minimize the systemic pressure to bring more people or larger ships than would be required to simply defeat your enemies on the field of battle.

Number + organisation will always win and it's probably a good thing.

Goal #4: Drastically reduce the time and effort required to conquer undefended space.

I don't know, it take more or less the same amount of time, requires a lot fewer people to initiate and is still just as boring as shooting 40m HP structures.

Goal #5: Provide significant strategic benefits from living in your space.

Longer timers are a significant strategic benefit, I assume.

Goal #6: Spread the largest Sovereignty battles over multiple star systems to take advantage of New Eden’s varied geography and to better manage server load.

It's not working but that isn't the fault of the system. Players and organisations are just painfully slow at figuring that out effective ways to effectively sovlaser while everyone else is dicking around in trollceptors.

Goal #7: Any new Sovereignty system should be adaptable enough to be rapidly updated and to incorporate future changes to EVE.

Whatever.

The small groups don;t want the sov. They've made that painfully clear by not bothering to show up for timers. And even if by some miracle a big group gets bored of defending and gives up the system, the new guys still can;t move in because the big group will just show up and repeatedly gank them until they stop trying to live there.

Yeah, must be doing it wrong. I forgot that to hold sov we're supposed to stand guard on the TCU and IHUB and station constantly in every single system we own so that if someone shows up we don't have to switch ships and fly around after them.

I have a feeling you don't know what games are for. They are not career choices. The idea that an attacker should be able to just show up in a cheap disposable ship and start lasering while a defender needs to constantly stand guard is moronic. I don't care if it ends up that we can only hold half the space we do, but defending shouldn't be more of a chore than attacking, shouldn't require more committed resources than attacking, and both sides of the mechanic should be entertaining and promote meaningful conflict.

1 - Not really, nobody are fighting for star systems, they´re just trolling star systems, nobody cares about null sec anymore unless for trolling, so this point is a big fail.

2 - As stated and CCP can see that, theres no new alliances contesting systems, just some alliances that are already in null sec are spreading a create new alliances, so nothing changes, hs people are not going there once again, so we have another big fail.

3 - Well this one is a GO, not much people fighting neither big ships, thats the way to an very nice empty null space.

4 - Conquer what? I dont see any conquered space, just new alliances coming from old ones, they stay where they are.

5 - Strategic benefits? What strategic benefits? Being disrupted is a benefit? Maybe they are talking about from ihub and upgrades sales, that is benefit for those who are manufacturing it in hs.

6 - Sov Battles? I havent see any since this new sov mechanics, just troll, nothin more but trolling.

7 - Well maybe the future changes are bots and more bots providing by CCP due the lack of null sec players and players in game, they are decreasing intead of increasing.


Players who have left are not turning back until they have what they want and part of them are not going back anymore, they are felling defrauded by CCP so I cant blame them since the last 4 years we get all in one way or another being defrauded due the systemic nerfs, changes on the way we play the game and CCP words are adpat. So for at least 20.000 palyers they have adapted themselves once and for all, they leave the game and I belive much more will leave the game soon enough. New players dont count on that, when they reach the game, they leave in a week or two, too complex, too many changes all the time, scaming and harassment to new players who dosent know what to do, so their best way is to move to another game without all of this...

Let me assure you the simpleton is on your side the this issue. When someone makes a poor decision and pays a price and whines to CCP that some change needs to be made, you nullsec types tell them that, 'decisions in EVE have consequences" and that they should stop whining to CCP for changes when they only have themselves to blame.

Let me state that I agree with this statement, it is absolutely the right one to hold for this game.

Now we come to the part where apparently you are a bit thick-headed.

YOU (nullsec) chose non-aggression pacts, YOU chose not to fight your neighbors, YOU knew that your CHOICE was counter to the very fundamentals upon which this game stands.

You made bad CHOICES, now deal with the unpleasant consequences and stop whining to CCP !

Destroying the will of an enemy to fight is a core combat technique even in the real world, certainly it has applications in a video game.