EVE General Discussion

Over the past 4 years I've watched an alarming trend in EVE. As the number of active null sec alliances has steadily dwindled under the onslaught of Nulli and the Goons, the number of high sec merc corps has slowly grown. During 2014, the HS Alliance that I was in was involved in 25 war decs totaling 38 weeks and during that period we lost 90% of our active player base. Some went to WH, some went to null, but most left the game altogether.

Now before you label me a "carebear" and flame me for the next 2 days, understand that I have characters in null sec and in WH's, what I am saying is that this trend is not good for CCP and for EVE. In order for this game to continue to thrive, CCP has to have a large player base that pays their money every month and that most certainly includes the HS indy players who love to mine and craft and who list most of the stuff sold in the major markets.

We all know that the hard core PvPr's of this and every other game are the most vocal when ANYTHING threatens their turf, but you guys have low sec / null sec / WH's / faction warfare, you need to stand down on this issue, let CCP end the broken HS war dec system and hope that some of these indy players come back so that their RL money can keep paying devs to fix other things in the game.

So what do you suggest to replace them with for the purpose of engaging in warfare with other players?

e: Oh, and no industrialist has ever left the game due to wars — quite the opposite. Wars are what sustain them and give them any reason to play.

This. If it's not working as intended, fix it, don't toss it.

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It's funny cuz it's sad you believe this.

Not really, no. Maybe you should read up on what S-flagging entails.

Industrialists do — that's what make them industrialists rather than just some carebear who throws stuff on the market without any understanding of what they're doing.

That's a problem with the players in question, and their willingness to grief their victims “corpmates”, not with wardecs. I'm not entirely convinced that their leaving is a bad thing…

From a gamer perspective, yes, from a business/game developers perspective, no.

If it takes carebears to keep eve up and evolving, I can support them. I would rather teach them anyways and get some good fights rather slaughter some whelps.

I for one think it's time for NPC corp forum posting to go away.

It's not a very clear “no“ from that perspective either. We're talking about an inherently unappeasable group that will leave because their wishes are fundamentally counter to the core design sensibilities of the game, and as such they have no real attachment to it. When (not if) something comes along that actually caters to their taste, they're gone.

Chasing players who aren't interested won't make them interested — it will only mean you spend infinite resources on pursuing an impossible target.

As such, trying to appease them anyway will inevitably have two results: first, you lose the players who enjoy the game as designed; then you lose the players you tried to attract, partly because they don't actually like the game, and partly because you've broken everything that gives the game any coherence and purpose and that differentiates it from other games. You've become bland and boring, so no-one will bother.

It's the classic — oft-attempted and always failed — case of trying to replace an actual customer base with a hypothetical one. It's never a good trade because it relies entirely on trying to elicit interest among those who have long since determined that they're not interested. It's ok if some players don't like your game. Tastes vary, and you can't satisfy them all — trying to cater to everyone inevitably means pleasing no-one, and trying to capture every customer will just as inevitably mean you end up with no customers.

O...M...G... This kind of tear post belongs in the "features and ideas" forum..not here.

Do realize that Eve is a spaceship combat game and no one is safe from war and turmoil. I agree, there are some aspects of the mechanic that need work..but remove them? No way...seems like another call for "Eve theme-park". I think not

Adapt to survive. If you're not willing to fight for what you have..you don't deserve to have it.