Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just make Battlecruiser hulls (Command ships also) the only viable for entosising and most of the problems would be solved. Leave frigates-cruisers to be a support force for taking sov and not the main one.

I know CCP doesnt want to limit number of tactics but like it is now there is only one tactic and it is the trollceptors. Playing with the battlecruiser fits ppl can still get a pretty fast ship to roam around and entosis stuff but it surely wont be this insane. There will still be lots of frigates-cruisers around supporting the BCS if there is no significant oposition.

But the situation that is now is just too easy for attackers to troll. If you want to defend your sov from trolling a simple gate camp can do it or a fast reaction to catch a BC which is a much slower ship than a ceptor.

We would suddenly see much more small gangs escorting the BCs to entosis stuff which is really good.

That's is not a bad idea either.

stop making sense.


Op yes the troll captor is immune to bubble. So it burns through your bubble and does entosis. Its escort is stuck in the bubble. Kill them in the bubble, e-war the inty, have a nice day.

Even a plain ole eaf is shutting down the troll captor. I am sure a 1000+ man crew can find a few pilots of these.

Also not seeing how BC's help here. Weaker sensors...easier to jam. easier to hit too. Troll ceptor seems to be working only because people cba to run counters against them. If you can't scare up just one ship with strong e-war to shut down the entosis....is this gong to change with a BC? Not really.


Long ago I messed up a titan bridge back home in a bc. Did not right click jump in time....titan jumped everyone else then jumped himself. What followed was a rather long 30 system hike back home, in a drake (not even nano fit), that I lived to make back home. Clear skies all the way home. Starting from hostile space. Apparently not one resident in say 25 systems not controlled by us could be assed to run even a basic camp or patrol to catch a very easy drake kill.

This was suggested in the original thread about fozziesov. CCP shot it down because they don't want to artificially require the use of certain ships.

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Thing is I will admit BC's need a role. Just not this one.


Moving target stuck in entosis not a role I want for this boat. It be a crap job. It give me flashbacks to the days I flew drakes in apoc. Where upon the fc would see the couple of us (it was harb and cane heavy those days) and go umm yeah, I linked a fit, run it now please. And before even opening it up you knew what the fit was. Bait drake....shall I fake surprise? Yay... another night of playing punching bag to sucker targets in.

The role I'd like to see is more in tune with what they were long ago. Feared combat ships. The dreaded dual neut o cane for example. this was a role, making frigates and cruisers hate life if they wandered into range to be double tapped by neuts. granted unbalanced...but something along these line is the role I'd like see returned. Not right click, press orbit and spin till cycles done or ship shot out of the sky.

It seems weird to me that a ship made to have pretty much all engine (Interceptor) also has the computing power to use an Entosis Link to take over an enemy structure.

I think CCP is trying to please too many people with this and, by doing so, will likely fail to please anyone.

Let's face it, SOV is for the big Alliances, not the small band of corporations who don't live online. There is no real reason to make Entosis Links useable by everyone in every ship with the fitting stats to use them. Or, to be more exact, there is no real reason that EVERY Entosis Link should be able to be used to capture SOV.

I understand players have used the Entosis Links on the Jove Observatories and possibly other structures to gather data. As an explorer, I would like that to remain. However, as an explorer in a small corporation, I have absolutely zero use for the SOV aspects of the Entosis Link.

I also reject the idea that it is bad to pigeon-hole certain activities or abilities to certain ships. CovOps Cloak and Cyno, Warfare/Mining Links, Interdiction Probes are all restricted to certain ships and the game isn't coming apart at the seams because of it.

I think that in order to use an Entosis Link for the hostile takeover of structures a bigger ship with powerful computers is necessary. So, the Command Ships fit that pretty well, I think. Each empire has one, plus, give one to each pirate faction, too. They will probably need tweaking in order to fit the role as needed, but I agree that they are a good fit.

Then, split the Entosis Links into militarized and civilian versions. The militarized ones have longer range and are powerful enough to take enemy structures, while the civilian ones are good for setting up your own structures and possibly some exploration. Give each a T1 and T2 variant.

Going down this route should accomplish all that CCP wanted to do with the Entosis Links while limiting the crazy tactic of tollcepting. It is a nonsensical form of gameplay, anyway.

There is also no real reason to blow up people mining if you have no intent of using the space or even bothering to loot the ship but is a cherished form of game play that miners could easily claim is trolling but is it, no and neither is your so called problem with frigates. That you are either lazy or incompetent is no reason for changes to game mechanics.

You cannot compare blowing up a solo miner with disrupting alliance level sovereignty... They are in no way the same thing.

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Was going to write more, but then I realized if you can't grasp that much there's no point.

They aren't, they're merely causing timers. They are being allowed to disrupt with no intention to follow through. It's not a case of blue balling, it's simply trolling alliance level play because they can now.

Playing chase the ceptor isn't fun content and the number of people willing to do such a thing are few and far between no matter the alliance you're a part of. It's much easier to let them do it and take back the timer you know they wont show up for. Maybe then you can actually see a fight or catch the ceptors since you know exactly where they'll be going. At least then it's not 4+ hours of standby duty EVERY DAY, it's just however long it takes to recapture nodes when something does get hit just like when a POS gets hit. You typically go to fight the RF, not try to flash form for the initial attack.

Same exact logic, similar game play, just now being kicked off by an individual who can zip around and through your defenses rather than an entire fleet.

I don't understand.

Why do you need to flash form to a ping if you're already active in the system?

It's a simple case of warp to structure and see what is there kill/remove threat.

It takes like...a minute or two.

If you need to flash form, surely you are not present in the system at the time and one of the huge angles of attack of this Sov version is to make people physically live in the owned space.

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I would say I would not be adverse to a ping going out at spool up time so a quick response needs no counter entosis work. I might make a separate thread for this