Player Features and Ideas Discussion

3d mark tests for extremes a game usually does not reach often. And often times the scores are misleading as they are not real systems. They won't have your download app running in the backbground, mail app open as well. Also remember 3d mark has been used by both nvidia and amd for market spin. Juiced code has been known to be used in the past.

And why not open GL if looking to change the world? It get them off proprietary software for starters. It could be the same amount of work either way, open gl could get them in a better spot to be honest all said and done. Hell valve/steam even offers iirc access to the tools they use for conversions.



DX 12 is not even industry standard and won't be for quite sometime. It actually behoove CCP, and any game maker, to let this sit a good while and let new games who started this core development day 1 find the pitfalls. As mentioned new tools can make for new problems.

And as mentioned before in this thread or others...there is the laptop market. We can't swap out video cards at the drop of a hat.
Could say well screw the laptop user base. We are legion though....we are hard to ignore. This for example would be why we have seen a sharp rise in the indy game markets. Their stuff usually runs quite nice on laptops out the box. And well...they try and create innovative content. Something I'd like CCP continue to do...make the content and not retool for dx12 for god knows how long.

Several things still broken or need ing attention for years gone by now.....lets fix them first as well they have seniority and the game being prettier to players like me is not going to satisfy us. Shiny lemon car fresh from the body shop is still a broke ass car. New paint job does not change that. Eve especially, many outstanding issues are not related to graphics in any way. It be spaghetti code from devs long ago no longer working there. This is the code I'd want fixed up, not dx code revisions.

so...

what about it?

DX12 will maybe Windows 10 only... does it matter? no..

why? well everyone with Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 is getting a free upgrade to Windows 10 if their Windows version is legit!!!

Plus its a big PR thingy...

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2015/05/12/more-mantle-games-are-on-the-way

Jump on the train while its about to leave... heck.... lots of big game companies supporting mantle... (and that is only AMD R9 (and newer) series)


So join in....

+1 for DX12 support please...


@CCP http://developer.amd.com/mantle/ just sign up and have a go at it!!!

Tbh it requires more "landscape" design than technology, at least when it comes to EVE. Sometimes I feel it needs more stuff near gates. I don't think it's necessary to switch to dx12 in order to make it look better. Updating old scenery pieces would make much more differences.

And yeah, it's been like 2 years since CCP said that they have some assets they can use to make hi res texture pack. Sad to think that it's probably got shelved.


Can you elaborate on that one? AFAIK KI is going to be cross-platform (between xbone and PC), as in: cross play and cross buy. In fact, it's not even real cross-platform, just different rigs that both run Win10.

More on topic: what exactly do you people want to change visually and why do you need DX12 for that, that's the question.

When a company takes this kind of stance it better have a few things in place.

1. A product that has no replacement option or one that will be missed enough by clients to have them say okay we will upgrade
2. It should have a (projected) market that makes this a wise business move to cover those who do leave.


lets talk about 1. I only see this stuff in high end(read high priced) server based software. Much as I would love to go linux servers for some of my network windows servers functions that is not happening. So various vendors can say make it this this and this spec or pound sand and we say sir yes sir. Eve tries this trick...I am not stuck with it in anyway. It is not essential like say my enterprise wide AV/AS management solution.

lets talk about 2: You are assuming because the upgrade will be free all will take it. Very bad assumption. even apple with its switch to free OS upgrades cannot get 100% upgrade success. Its a smaller market, should be easier to reach 100, or even 90 which it hasn't (last numbers I saw it never even broke 90%).

Linux as well. I stll run earlier Ubuntu LTS versions now halfway into their 5 year cycle at home. No new features added of importance to me (good stuff added...I just have no use for it). Many years in IT has taught if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

M$ and CCP know full well not all legit owners will upgrade. Many for valid reasons. "legacy apps" issue usually a top 1. You'd like to maybe upgrade. But you have the apps that aren't compatible. can be some time for that to happen. Break 5 go to apps to run eve...not the smart move for many. Not all also want to run compatibility tool to bypass either.



These are the clients ccp needs to factor in. Not all rush on every OS. Want the largest base possible to make sales from you need to accommodate them as well.

Not that hard, then please give us a link to the game you upgraded from DX9 or 11 to 12
Performance boost would only be for people with DX12 ready machines/OS, while a large part of EVE players barely have DX11 ready machines

Ask the CSM to get that information from CCP.

Yes I do agree that DX12 is less important than the core functioning of the game. But that said, CCP are a clever team, no doubt they will deliver on the never ending task of improving the game.

DX12 will probably show up over the next few years, cause CCP likes keeping EVE nice and shiny and current.
You won't notice the difference between 11 and 12 unless you were to match an underpowered CPU with a powerful GPU or two, at least not right away.
OpenGL is, for practical purposes, a mess, because everyone has their own implementation of the library: AMD, NVidia, Intel all have one, plus there are some OpenGL libraries from some more minor ones which random old laptops use, and people do use those. Oh, and when we get into cross platform, there's NVidia/Nouveau and Catalyst/Radeon (closed/open-source) and whatever OS X is using, and they're not perfectly standards-compliant, so not every call does exactly what you think it will and things will look weird.
With DirectX, you have one version of the library everyone targets: Microsoft's (or, in open-source world, WineD3D and GalliumNine). Microsoft's is messy because they've got all these exceptions for this or that app to behave itself.

EVE Fanfest 2012: Nvidia Tessellation Demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7oaz8mWug

this is why we can't have nice things

A developer has to code for supported versions of OS' out there. Windows 7 or 8 is not end of life yet. Won't be for a while. to get the most income in you need the broadest population to pull from.


Just because windows 10 is free does not mean all with take it up. Even apple does not have 100% acceptance and they started this free update stuff long before M$.

Since on apple, CCP only a few years back made one version of Mac OS the base standard guaranteed supported. They were not trend setters here. Apple was not supporting most the then cut off versions. And it was the accepted safe limit most devs of other applications were doing. When the industry and its even its maker is making cut offs...it makes sense. Apple off the hook for support....so are you.