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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2015-08-01 04:33:37 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
What makes you think I only fly them in blobs? I have spent the last few weeks roaming around solo or in 10 man Corp roams in a mega and I am looking at getting a few geddons and ravens soon for solo work. There is nothing biased in what I say, if the mega was as overpowered as the T3s are I would calling for nerfs on that too.


May I steer you to youtube and Suitonia's solo geddon? Should work nicely with your gang and you know I love the Raven, I'm just not fan of the rapid launcher madness but you should be fine whatever you choose to do.

Speaking of battleships, I just had to try out the Megathron myself and since I tried it once for pve - which turned out to be a terrible idea - I went to lowsec last fall with said Megathron, looking for a fight somewhere in Genesis.

Lot's of empty systems so I tried one of those besieged mordus sites - also a terrible idea - and I bailed with 33% structure and docked.
I was giving up at this point and on my way back I got someone's interest, a navy augruor. He kept me interested long enough for two buddies of his to arrive and thought I would be an easy killmail. I kinda didn't rep that structure damage, so I was on fire the hole time.
Minutes later I ganked the logi and 2x navy augruor. So you are right, the Megathron is awesome for solo roams if you avoid places like Huola or Amamake.

The Tengu wasn't nerfed, heavy missiles were. How dare missiles compete with other long range guns?? Must not happen.

In their finite wisdome CCP nerfed heavy missiles because people are too unbright to change their behavior. A people problem, not a mechanics problem.
Now the not so long range missiles are barely able to poke someone if they even maange to get in to their destination in the first place.


I saw his video and his fit is close to what I came up with although I'm torn between either tank rigs or warp speed.

For people who want a crazy effective anti - frig/t3 destroyer then look at a rlml rattlesnake. It gets a bonus to all missilesTwisted
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#82 - 2015-08-01 05:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
What makes you think I only fly them in blobs? I have spent the last few weeks roaming around solo or in 10 man Corp roams in a mega and I am looking at getting a few geddons and ravens soon for solo work. There is nothing biased in what I say, if the mega was as overpowered as the T3s are I would calling for nerfs on that too.


May I steer you to youtube and Suitonia's solo geddon? Should work nicely with your gang and you know I love the Raven, I'm just not fan of the rapid launcher madness but you should be fine whatever you choose to do.

Speaking of battleships, I just had to try out the Megathron myself and since I tried it once for pve - which turned out to be a terrible idea - I went to lowsec last fall with said Megathron, looking for a fight somewhere in Genesis.

Lot's of empty systems so I tried one of those besieged mordus sites - also a terrible idea - and I bailed with 33% structure and docked.
I was giving up at this point and on my way back I got someone's interest, a navy augruor. He kept me interested long enough for two buddies of his to arrive and thought I would be an easy killmail. I kinda didn't rep that structure damage, so I was on fire the hole time.
Minutes later I ganked the logi and 2x navy augruor. So you are right, the Megathron is awesome for solo roams if you avoid places like Huola or Amamake.

The Tengu wasn't nerfed, heavy missiles were. How dare missiles compete with other long range guns?? Must not happen.

In their finite wisdome CCP nerfed heavy missiles because people are too unbright to change their behavior. A people problem, not a mechanics problem.
Now the not so long range missiles are barely able to poke someone if they even maange to get in to their destination in the first place.


A Megathron huh. Wouldn't a Curse be able to kiil that?
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#83 - 2015-08-01 05:36:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
What makes you think I only fly them in blobs? I have spent the last few weeks roaming around solo or in 10 man Corp roams in a mega and I am looking at getting a few geddons and ravens soon for solo work. There is nothing biased in what I say, if the mega was as overpowered as the T3s are I would calling for nerfs on that too.


May I steer you to youtube and Suitonia's solo geddon? Should work nicely with your gang and you know I love the Raven, I'm just not fan of the rapid launcher madness but you should be fine whatever you choose to do.

Speaking of battleships, I just had to try out the Megathron myself and since I tried it once for pve - which turned out to be a terrible idea - I went to lowsec last fall with said Megathron, looking for a fight somewhere in Genesis.

Lot's of empty systems so I tried one of those besieged mordus sites - also a terrible idea - and I bailed with 33% structure and docked.
I was giving up at this point and on my way back I got someone's interest, a navy augruor. He kept me interested long enough for two buddies of his to arrive and thought I would be an easy killmail. I kinda didn't rep that structure damage, so I was on fire the hole time.
Minutes later I ganked the logi and 2x navy augruor. So you are right, the Megathron is awesome for solo roams if you avoid places like Huola or Amamake.

The Tengu wasn't nerfed, heavy missiles were. How dare missiles compete with other long range guns?? Must not happen.

In their finite wisdome CCP nerfed heavy missiles because people are too unbright to change their behavior. A people problem, not a mechanics problem.
Now the not so long range missiles are barely able to poke someone if they even maange to get in to their destination in the first place.


I saw his video and his fit is close to what I came up with although I'm torn between either tank rigs or warp speed.

For people who want a crazy effective anti - frig/t3 destroyer then look at a rlml rattlesnake. It gets a bonus to all missilesTwisted


I think a regular Typhoon does it pretty well also, and much cheaper.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#84 - 2015-08-01 06:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: elitatwo
Daniela Doran wrote:
A Megathron huh. Wouldn't a Curse be able to kiil that?


You kinda didn't read what I said. I said I wanted to fly the Megathron that I kept in Amarr and take it on a roam. How am I supposed to know what I find out there without going there first?

And no, a Curse would not be able to do that.

This is about battleships and the notion of them being bad in the current meta. Maybe but if you haven't seen all the alterations they have seen and lived through them like baltec1 and I did, how can you say they are bad?

I could have said the same thing because I was yolo-kited when I entered Houla later that night but that wasn't the fault of the ship.
In that case it was mechanics that made the Megathron look bad - links. That still doesn't make the ship bad.

I am inclined to agree with baltec1 on the matter of tech 3 cruisers you get a little to much for one shipclass. But writing about this gave me another idea based on an earlier idea of mine.

On a few occasions I said that tech 3 cruiser shouldn't be allowed in k-space and maybe that is a little too much to ask but what about working on an effect just like effect wormholes instead.

In k-space a lot of the native resistance doesn't work in k-space because the transition from a wormhole to k-space cause some kind of malfunction on the shield generators and armor platings.

The cataclysmic variable effect gave me that idea. So in k-space you still have your tech 3 boat, just not as good (recon ships resists) and when you go back into w-space, all of your shield generators and armor platings would get their resistance back, depending on which wormhole you enter.

Seems to me like the lesser of two evils.

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#85 - 2015-08-01 06:35:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
elitatwo wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
A Megathron huh. Wouldn't a Curse be able to kiil that?


You kinda didn't read what I said. I said I wanted to fly the Megathron that I kept in Amarr and take it on a roam. How am I supposed to know what I find out there without going there first?

And no, a Curse would not be able to do that.

This is about battleships and the notion of them being bad in the current meta. Maybe but if you haven't seen all the alterations they have seen and lived through them like baltec1 and I did, how can you say they are bad?

I could have said the same thing because I was yolo-kited when I entered Houla later that night but that wasn't the fault of the ship.
In that case it was mechanics that made the Megathron look bad - links. That still doesn't make the ship bad.

I am inclined to agree with baltec1 on the matter of tech 3 cruisers you get a little to much for one shipclass. But writing about this gave me another idea based on an earlier idea of mine.

On a few occasions I said that tech 3 cruiser shouldn't be allowed in k-space and maybe that is a little too much to ask but what about working on an effect just like effect wormholes instead.

In k-space a lot of the native resistance doesn't work in k-space because the transition from a wormhole to k-space cause some kind of malfunction on the shield generators and armor platings.

The cataclysmic variable effect gave me that idea. So in k-space you still have your tech 3 boat, just not as good (recon ships resists) and when you go back into w-space, all of your shield generators and armor platings would get their resistance back, depending on which wormhole you enter.

Seems to me like the lesser of two evils.


I don't use T1 BSs atm , so what do I know if they are bad or not. The debate I was having with baltec1 was if T3C should be nerf down to cruiser level. At first I thought he was being bias towards T3Cs for personal dislike and just wanted them obliterated from the game (which still might be true) but after hearing other non-biased similar opinions from respected pilots I decided to throw in the towel and face the inevitable. The rest is up to CCP to do what they need to do. And the sooner the better, prolonging this major issue with T3Cs is gonna make it worst for newer pilots that are still in the process of training for these ships.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2015-08-02 07:00:48 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:


I think a regular Typhoon does it pretty well also, and much cheaper.


Phoon is great but the rattles bonus applies to RLML too, which makes it very deadly to frigates and makes it perfect for baiting frigates/t3d as they always think its a ratter rattler.
Arcos Vandymion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2015-08-02 10:18:08 UTC
Shrike Crendraven wrote:
Bigger and more expensive ships are meant to be better in every aspect, yes. One good thing about eve is that the balance is about the money. The more u pay, the better stuff u get.

I'd say cars are a good analogy - sure u can drive a dacia duster - its a good car, but a range rover thats priced around 100.000+ eur *is* better in each and every aspect. Why isnt everyone driving a range rover then??? Those dumb people!! :D See my point?


But that's a comparison of a T1 BS to a faction/T2 BS. You compare the same functionality (or size class). It'd be more accurate to compare say a Suzuki Swift or Fiat Panda to a Mercedes G or Land Rover* Defender.

The Porsche 911 would be the Dramiel (a classic) and the 7 gear hybrid Porsche Spyder study i saw some time back the Garmur ... more money. Is it better? in it's functionallity at going really fast on streets it certainly is. It doesn't do what the Land Rover does for you though.