EVE General Discussion

This is more an observation and a query regarding PI.

TL;DR : Lowsec is even deader than before due to POCO's. One less reason to bother with it.

The elaboration:-

As a player who has done lowsec PI for a long long time, the motivation to setup ninja POS's and float around lowsec gathering resources was both fun and interesting and on many occasions quite challenging (if not downright scarey). It made a modest profit and was almost a full-time Eve occupation in itself.

It required regular logins and made me invest in RL money to run my 5 accounts. There's simply not enough profit in PI to plex it all. And now, there's even less to be had due to POCO monopolies starting to rear their ugly heads.

So today I unanchored my last tower out of lowsec and closed up all my PI. The massive time, RL money and isk investment training 5 perfect PI chars with blockade runner skills is now wasted. The cost to do PI for personal towers and a small amount of manufacturing is on the verge of pointless.

Of course, the usual banter about go kill POCO's and install your own etc. will be bandied around and sure, I can join some alliance and do just that but that just reinforces my point about monopolisation of the game. I know what the "do this" solution is but I also know the reality - as do most players who do/did PI in lowsec.

IMO, it's a case of yet another nail-in-the-coffin for lowsec players who WANT lowsec, are prepared to RISK it in lowsec but have absolutely no incentive to be there unless they start a whole new alliance and spend 5 years building it into yet another monopoly.

I am seriously at a "wtf do I do now" moment after almost 4 years of trying it all.

Has anyone else struck the same sense of "where the **** is this game going" frustration?

I think it is fair change.

You could make very good money from PI and there was pretty much no risk especially doing it in low sec.

I wonder, did you have your poses in low sec?

Excellent Post

If you Bio me, you wil see that I even disbanded my Low sec PI Corp back in November.

Same situation. Same investment, but 4 toons.

Not worth it and WAY too expensive. Like getting my P1 Products out of Jail or something.


No RL industrialist or Business person would tolerate a 30% tax on ANYTHING, tobacco and booze excepting.

Yup, this was one absolutely Unnesessary Mechanic change and a BAD move by CCP.

Very true that Low Sec is officially IN IT'S COFFIN. Even PI is for Sh-- there now.

I'm not sure where things are heading either...............................but my ass has heading straight back to mission grinding and mining. Oh boy.

I used to setup "disposable" ninja POS's in lowsec out of a blockade runner, work an area for awhile and then move so as not to "attract attention". I had a cloaky Muninn providing escort support in case of rogue gate campers but generally moving around smartly made for fairly safe transitions.

Now many POCO's are taxed to infinity and in some cases the Interbus Offices have been destroyed and not replaced. At 100m+ a pop to replace and no way to defend them, had to take the loss and move on. Planetary launches are a total waste of time.

It's another case of most of the infrastructure ingame being owned by a very few and now lowsec has been made even less inviting. All for what? An FPS game on a completely different platform? Appeasement of nullsec alliances who think no-one else should be allowed to make a living.

Getting to the point it's nullsec or nothing and nothing is starting to look very attractive.

CCP just want get rid of paying customers.

Have you tried moving elsewhere? Or use different planets? I know where I live plasma planet were all snatched up quickly but nobody really bothered with the others unless they really need the stuff.

500m a month. You're new here yeah? An Incursion runner or a mission runner can do that in a day or two.

You seem to have also missed my point about the monopolisation of even lowsec now. You either have to suck it up or **** off.

you sir, are an idiot, lowsec may be dead, but its far more dangerous than bluefested,cynojammed,intel-ridden 0.0

So? We're not talking about incursions here, but PI. So the point remains relevant…
No, he addressed that quite specifically…

It seems you're creating a problem where there doesn't really have to be one.

The comparison was to debunk the "too much isk in PI" argument.

And you ain't making 2.2b a month in lowsec unless you got 5 chars or more. As for WH - yes, that is an option and yes I've done it. I also made much more doing it in nullsec but now it's just more coinage to the barons leaving no motivation to even bother.

Regardless, I didn't do it solely for the money - I also did it for the kicks. Poking around systems in a cloaky scaring the life out of ratters, passing on "scaps on standby" intel and having a laugh while doing enough to fuel my POS's was my motivation.

But now, with some POCO's with variable tax rates, maxed tax or even locked out, it's a headfuck finding out who owns what and what they'll do for me and my little band of merry-men.

It's PI for christsake, not a Tech moon.

The question remains as to why CCP put the mockers on yet another lowsec profession?