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[news] Vigilant Tyrannos assault on Safizon

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Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#21 - 2015-07-31 20:27:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Singularity
They must have known I'm out of position to sortie, but I have by subspace comms sent my military attaché Cydonia Meridan. She has reported to me the grave situation in system and during her recon was summarily shipped by the Drifter attack force. She barely managed to escape in her pod alive.

Update 1: Its my understanding additional supporters of my Star Diocese have engaged Drifter forces with grave results. Blessed be ALL the bold pilots during this Emergency.

Do not go gently into the night.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#22 - 2015-07-31 20:30:10 UTC
Silvox Lunae wrote:
For the sake of clarity, can you confirm which party fired first?


The drifters.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#23 - 2015-07-31 20:40:53 UTC
Silvox Lunae wrote:
For the sake of clarity, can you confirm which party fired first?


How far do you want to go back... like maybe the time Jamyl Sarum 1 ordered the desecration of Sleeper beings and dissected them? That would be a 'shots fired' in my book.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Nortal Aldent
Hate By Design Inc.
#24 - 2015-07-31 20:45:09 UTC
Staying cloaked off of the Navy Assembly Plant.

20:43 EST, 20 Drifter ships sitting outside of station.

Both Artemis Tyrannos and Apollo Tyrannos present.
Silvox Lunae
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-07-31 20:49:00 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:
Silvox Lunae wrote:
For the sake of clarity, can you confirm which party fired first?


How far do you want to go back... like maybe the time Jamyl Sarum 1 ordered the desecration of Sleeper beings and dissected them? That would be a 'shots fired' in my book.


I have actually looked into the matter, and have compiled notations of the numerous questionable actions and instances that the Empress has assisted in or personally oversaw. With the past three instances, and the current events being taken into account it is becoming increasingly clear that the Empress has endangered the Empire and has refused to provide any disclosure.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2015-07-31 21:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
I have recorded some holos.

Safizon Amarr Navy station engagement - CVA and Caldari loyalists engaging drifters
Drifter flying in formation
Safizon - Eba engagement
Safizon - Atroun engagement

It all awfully reminds me of estimation of our combat capabilities. Since Sarum Prime they learned what "Squad", "Focus Fire" and "Formation" means.

Looks like the best thing we can do for now is to keep track of these changes and think about how this can be countered.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#27 - 2015-07-31 22:38:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
CVA/Provi Bloc forces and PIE with friends operated seperate fleets in co-ordination in defence of the system. We merged fleets later. The drifters have certainatly upped their game. Most of the smaller Drifter groups are down, just one large formation of about 40 left. God bless all those who have fought the Drifter menace.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#28 - 2015-08-01 00:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
See? I said this was going to happen.

These are not sleeper drones with their one-sided subjunctive programming we are dealing with. These drifters are real people, like us in some ways, unlike us in many more ways.


I'm wondering now if the Republic is going to take advantage of the element of surprise.


Chaos is coming.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2015-08-01 00:49:44 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
See? I said this was going to happen.

These are not sleeper drones with their one-sided subjunctive programming we are dealing with. These drifters are real people, like us in some ways, unlike us in many more ways.


I'm wondering now if the Republic is going to take advantage of the element of surprise.


Chaos is coming.

It's not surprise if they know it's coming....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-08-01 01:27:31 UTC
It's been a strange day. Awful, in parts. Slightly... slightly less awful in others.

I screwed up. I got proud. I underestimated the Drifters. I don't know, perhaps I arrogantly thought that when I saw them in person my mind would reveal some solution to the threat that everyone else had missed. I didn't really understand the implications of the Drifter battleship until I experienced it firsthand.

It's been hours and I can still see the flash of that weapon when I close my eyes, still hear that odd, anticlimactic wobbling vibration that it makes. Every time one of their ships lost its outer shield, we'd lose a ship, but we were losing ships to their secondary weapons before we even managed to do that. Those weapons, the Lux Kontos, I could see and feel space bending around the path of the discharge, feel metal, ceramic and plastic twisting and warping around the point of impact. And the superweapon itself... there has to be some way to neutralise its effect, to mitigate it. Otherwise they'll easily win most batltes with us through sheer weight of attrition.

I found myself flying alongside members of PIE, PAux and CVA, taking orders from their fleet commanders. That was strange. They're not bad pilots though, or commanders, and they were... surprisingly respectful and friendly, although I imagine that they would have been little else given the work we were engaged in together.

Afterwards I limped off to fight some Sansha so that CONCORD can start repairing the hole Safizon put in my wallet. Nation, at least, are an enemy I can understand - and destroy.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#31 - 2015-08-01 01:45:45 UTC
Is Safizon clear now?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#32 - 2015-08-01 02:02:34 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
CVA/Provi Bloc forces and PIE with friends operated seperate fleets in co-ordination in defence of the system. We merged fleets later. The drifters have certainatly upped their game. Most of the smaller Drifter groups are down, just one large formation of about 40 left. God bless all those who have fought the Drifter menace.


There were still 57 when I engaged with a Typhoon configured for extreme-range operation. Interestingly, the Drifters' standard weaponry was unable to inflict any damage beyond 150 kilometers. It wasn't until they closed to within 100 kilometers that their weapons were at all effective. Given this, it seems clear that high-sec drifter activities can be countered by high-speed sniper fleets, such as nano-mwd Orthrii configured for maximum range. At these ranges, the Drifters are utterly impotent. The package I'm currently looking at runs approximately 400 million per ship, and requires AC-603 and MP-703 implants. With off-grid boosting, the Othrus targets to 200km, which allows the fleet to begin firing early, and let the Drifters charge into the oncoming missile fire. I'd be concerned about the decided lack of defensive capabilities on the ship, but the Typhoon's only defense was a Damage Control Unit and a pair of reinforced bulkheads. So I sincerely doubt the cruisers would have much trouble avoiding the incoming fire.

Of course, this is only their normal weaponry, and does not include testing against their superweapon.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-08-01 02:27:37 UTC
The superweapon seems to be uniformly effective regardless of range - if they can target you, they can hit you with it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#34 - 2015-08-01 02:34:11 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
The superweapon seems to be uniformly effective regardless of range - if they can target you, they can hit you with it.


That's been my experience as well - and given the defensive ratings of my Typhoon, it would have been vaporized instantly, similarly to a Guardian I watched destroyed that way in ZXB. I did take precautions, however, aligning the ship, locking target, and then giving the baseliner crew time to evacuate before beginning the test-firing.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2015-08-01 02:40:17 UTC
I have gone to the system to investigate. I saw traversals exceeding 3000 M/s. These things are very fast, they keep a tight formation and they do not just hang in one spot to be shot at.


Their formations were advanced, the kind that even experienced capsuleers have trouble with.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Arrendis
TK Corp
#36 - 2015-08-01 02:56:23 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I have gone to the system to investigate. I saw traversals exceeding 3000 M/s. These things are very fast, they keep a tight formation and they do not just hang in one spot to be shot at.


They closed on the Typhoon at roughly 3500m/s, which is why the Orthrus I've designed, with implants, boosts, and... and I really hate to admit this, a can of Quafe Zero... comes in at 3612. 3442 without the Quafe.

Note that they didn't attempt warping to a bounce, or any kind of complex maneuver. They simply gave direct pursuit. Whatever else they are, they are about as tactically adept as a new bee in a Rifter, out on his first hunt. At least, they are for now.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-08-01 03:00:41 UTC
I have a terrible feeling we're only seeing the first opening moves of this game. They may simply be studying our tactics and responses.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2015-08-01 03:12:55 UTC
We can play that game too.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-08-01 04:15:36 UTC
They don't really need to show anywhere near as much as we do, though. We aren't getting an equal amount of information about them from their behaviour. In fact, if anything, their recent actions leave left us with more questions than answers.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#40 - 2015-08-01 04:37:45 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
They don't really need to show anywhere near as much as we do, though. We aren't getting an equal amount of information about them from their behaviour. In fact, if anything, their recent actions leave left us with more questions than answers.


We know the speed of their ships, and the range of their weapons. The only question I have left is: precisely how many pilots does it take to remove one of these things in a single volley?

Once I have that information, I'm good.