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FireT
Venom Pointe Industries
#21 - 2011-12-25 16:25:12 UTC
Juliana Stinger wrote:
I've wasted a lot of time learning to fly hulk and when i finally got it, it was blown up by a single pilot with one shot in high sec space while undocking, since then i don't even dare to waste another 230mil for a ship that isn't capable even to survive freaks in high sec. So i would really support the idea in order to fix mining ships we already have.


This is why I stopped using a Hulk. I wish someone had told me early on how useless active mining is and how dominated it is by bots. I really wish I could undo my mining skills and invest them into something more interesting. Alas CCP has not given use that choice and a few million SP are wasting around never to be used again until a magical moment when a Hulk does not require ages to repay itself for actual players and not botters.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#22 - 2011-12-26 13:43:44 UTC
Isan'na wrote:
Hey, Goose? You suck at fitting if you could only get 25k with deadspace mods.

[Hulk, 28k Tank]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I




It's actually possible to fit the Hulk to be over 30k EHP. But you will need to train more engineering skills along with a buddy who is willing to provide fleet boosts. Even if someone in a Tornado dishes out 11k damage per volley, it will take 3 shots (minimum) for that one ganker to kill you. Therefore, for good measure (listen up gankers), they could bring two tier 3 BC to do the job in 0.5 space. Mind you, this is not taking into account outside factors that will directly or indirectly change the outcome of the gank significantly.

Cost of ganking: 50mil ISK/ship plus modules and T2 or faction ammo will cost about 80-90mil ISK total. With two such ships, total cost shoots up to 160-180mil ISK depending on how desperate they are in wanting to destroy your ship.
Cost of tanking a Hulk: 250mil ISK/ship plus modules will cost almost 300mil ISK total. Mind you this is without named modules.

Lost-ISK wise, the gankers win because the ISK they spent for their ship is minimal compared to that of a Hulk. However, gained-ISK wise, the gankers are ganking at a loss since they no longer have insurance to back them up and the drop is more than likely to be a minuscule T2 mods (or minerals and used crystals if lucky) that was previously damaged from overheating.

Adapt or Die
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#23 - 2011-12-31 13:45:14 UTC
Tash'k Omar wrote:
A'Brantox Foson wrote:
Yes, give indy some love. I liked the idea of mining at 1st. But then I tried it...

A 20bil mining bohemoth would certainly make mining worth it though. But, with large alliances all around, that can and will **** EULA, i'd say it's not very likely. They'd drive the price right down, making the mining profression more and more difficult for newer players/less well equipped players.


Or at least un-nerf supers so they can use Mining drones again.

<3

And since officer mods are on the menu,

Liam Mirren wrote:
800 dps cata doesn't exist. Also, you're very optimistic about concord reaction times, not everyone mines in a 0.5 you know.

In short; lots of blahblah, backed by numbers that aren't realistic.



[Catalyst, 800 DPS Cata]
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]

873 Dps with heat, 6% Damage inplant + 7% ROF implant.


when you fly that bring it to where iam so i can kill it and take those mods and sell em :)
Nitsu
SergalJerk
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#24 - 2011-12-31 13:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitsu
Drone space: Not Botters, I am sure it is hard to swallow that. I and my entire alliance are all alive.

We are not Korean, Chinese, or any other assumed country of origin where botting happens. I merely stated that the game has not giving the industrial Pilots a whole lot of reasons to be beating down the door to login each day that's all. Please Troll somewhere else this is not the place for fail Hulk Fits, Catalyst fits for me to laugh at; ship fits for you to beat your chest about... I am not impressed.

Hulks are for deep space not for Jita idiots that obviously have no business in flying them and have not a clue in this universe how to use them properly. Rorquals are invaluable in deep space. All you new characters that like the look and sound of your voice talking about things you have no idea about; and just repeating what the previous entry stated above or more commonly simply say "Yeah that's right"; don't waste my time.

You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are being warp scrambled... :(
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#25 - 2012-01-01 20:30:57 UTC
FireT wrote:
Juliana Stinger wrote:
I've wasted a lot of time learning to fly hulk and when i finally got it, it was blown up by a single pilot with one shot in high sec space while undocking, since then i don't even dare to waste another 230mil for a ship that isn't capable even to survive freaks in high sec. So i would really support the idea in order to fix mining ships we already have.


This is why I stopped using a Hulk. I wish someone had told me early on how useless active mining is and how dominated it is by bots. I really wish I could undo my mining skills and invest them into something more interesting. Alas CCP has not given use that choice and a few million SP are wasting around never to be used again until a magical moment when a Hulk does not require ages to repay itself for actual players and not botters.


Haveing the abilites to fly a hulk is only useful in Nullsec. with haveing a small mining fleet and a rorqual to give you bonuses so you can Mine ABC ore faster.

Im pretty sure if CCP came out with a bigger mining vessels the bots would take full advantage of that right away thus haveing CCP to create bigger belts or even make the most comon ores harder to mine.
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