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Why does caldari militia fail? Your viewsplease
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#261 - 2011-12-30 21:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Muad 'dib wrote:
Shocking isnt it that fighting against the FW race with the most pve players, has the least pvp action Roll

Bla bla bla caldari needs a big corp to sort it out, yeah you are all right here, but what 100 man corp whats to help a milita on their own? Sure one might be out there, but it doesnt take a rocket surgeon to work out that supporting a militia which is nearly 90% pve mission running leachs with no interest in anything but making some isk, is worth fighting for at all espessially against pvp blobs that also overship constantly.

Amarr/Minnie is pretty ballenced for the most part, similer attendance (minnies have more numbers is very large fights), similer numbers of pvers and some good attitudes to pvp.



Out side help actually happened quite a bit for both side on the Amarr vs Minmatar front and that has helped balance things out IMO when one side was weaker than the other.

Amarr use to get a lot of help including ISK from what I heard from CVA back before Providence fell. CVA also helped them in several engagements back at that time. I'm pretty sure CVA eventually stopped as many Amarr pilots were pirating out in Providence. CVA also allows Amarr Militia members to rat freely in their space giving them very easy access to ISK that was harder to come by for us dedicated FW guys back then. (ie was no FW missions)

CVA still to this day as far as I know offers up it's yearly prize for the Militia member they choose whom helps the Amarr cause the most. This is usually fancy ships or ISK. Not to mention, PIE Inc. whom is still in Amarr Militia was the original founder corp of CVA.

(Minmatar gangs used to do routine providence raids as well, killing anything they could with fast moving frig & cruiser gangs)

On the Minmatar side it was Star Faction whom often fleeted with Minmatar gangs providing support and also war decing many Amarr corps and constantly camped the Amarr station in Kamela. They have since left for other things last I paid attention to that war front.

Electus Matari also gave a significant amount of help to Minmatar militia in form of paying out prize ISK to the guys doing the most plexing against Amarr. They also sent many of their own members or maybe it was one of their corps to the Minmatar Militia to help fight back a very large push against Minmatar space led by Damar at the time.

If I remember correctly there were some shady tactics that allowed him along with the Amarr the ability to take almost all of Minmatar systems very quickly. It wasn't till almost the last system fell that Minmatar were able to fight back and retake their systems largely due to the extra man power of dedicated plexers that EM provided.

For what ever reason there is a much larger RP involvement on the Minmatar vs Amarr front and this includes out side groups that have much more resources than the Militia's themselves. Oddly enough there is very little RP involvement on the Caldari vs Gallente side and almost not involvement from out side groups with the specific task of helping one side or the other.

Closest would maybe be the Intaki guys that were helping Gallernte for a while, as well as occasional pies that seem to be blue with Gals.
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#262 - 2011-12-30 22:20:04 UTC
There are many entities taking advantage of the current condition of Calmil and are working to poach some of our talented pilots out at a crucial time in our history. I see this as a hostile action and it is to say the least unappreciated and shall be remembered. Our current plight is a temporary setback to the state from which we are destined to recover.

As new leadership emerges we are making efforts to rebuild our forces and turn this situation around. It is due to many failed standing policies that Caldari militia is in the state it is right now. We cannot undo what is done but we are looking to the future and prepared to go the distance neccessary to recover what has been stolen from us.

For my part, I will be dead in the last ditch before I see my state in ruins. While tattered and weary, efforts to rebuild our forces have already begun. When the time is fruitful we will make ourselves known once more with a sound, fury and vengeance only befitting the arrogance of the Gallente. The glory of the state is undeniable, unquestioned and above all a sacred truth from which no man may hide.

We must be brave and keep our wits in order to extract the justice due our fallen comrades. We must destroy those that have denied us our lands and bring low the usurpers who walk amongst us. Those capsuleers who wish to see the end of Gallente tyranny will return to the warm embrace or should not consider themselves a citizen. I am now and shall remain a warrior for the glory of Caldari.

Glory to the State, Long Live Caldari.

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Pulgy
Doomheim
#263 - 2011-12-31 02:08:40 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:

Of course this will probably be wrecked soon since it seems froggies cynoed some capitals to Metropolis, conviently within hotdrop range of my new home system.


Confirming that those capitals were moved just for you. Roll
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DNLeviathan
Blue Canary
Watch This
#264 - 2011-12-31 11:52:09 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Amarr/Minnie is pretty ballenced for the most part, similer attendance (minnies have more numbers is very large fights), similer numbers of pvers and some good attitudes to pvp.


Of course this will probably be wrecked soon since it seems froggies cynoed some capitals to Metropolis, conviently within hotdrop range of my new home system. Then again, I have no interest to give any fights to such bunch of wankers like DNleviathan just so they can come and mess with balanced battlefield and decent fights like we had in Arzad today.


confirming we moved our capitals to hotdrop your leet station camping frigate gang.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#265 - 2011-12-31 12:33:04 UTC
DNLeviathan wrote:
confirming we moved our capitals to hotdrop your leet station camping frigate gang.


Arent we awesome? We can achieve in frigates what you need neutral carriers and t3's to achieve.
JasonXXL
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2011-12-31 13:33:45 UTC
Now I usually don't reply to a Damar post, but since more Caldari have complained about this, I'll take this opportunity to reply to the neutral carrier and t3 complaint.

First, the neutral carriers. Normal game mechanics should flag a neutral carrier as soon as it starts assisting one of the Gallente militia. This might prevent you from shooting it right away, but a triage carrier will in most cases lock and assist a Gallente ship aster than you can lock it in your battleship. However, I have heard that it sometimes takes a while to flag a neutral logistics. Carriers are never used just to evade agression, it's just alts that are available while keeping damage characters in fleet.

Neutral t3's: boosters are always alts, and alts are used for other stuff as well (eg. moving to Jita). That is why boosters tend to be neutral, but certainly not all of them. But seriously, the chance of you catching one is very slim indeed, as it is not meant to stay on grid. Therefore it does not matter a single bit that a booster might be neutral to you. And seriously, look around, the neutral booster is here to stay. People don't want their eyes asociated with their main body to ensure an element of surprise.
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#267 - 2011-12-31 13:40:03 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:

Arent we awesome? We can achieve in frigates what you need neutral carriers and t3's to achieve.



Bwahahahaha!!!!

An ex-PERV complaining about nuets and alts... Big smileBig smileBig smile



Oh wait....this IS Damar after all....

Lol
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#268 - 2011-12-31 13:40:38 UTC
JasonXXL wrote:
random crap.


What part of "neutral carriers helping to camp station" you didnt understand? And yes, i'm referring to Trovarion here.

Of course it's always comedy gold when SP-R people get camped to station. Why, one moaned loudly in local once that "You guys suck, station campers are no-skill noobs", while at the same time Trov was busy ejaculating over the walls of Enaluri V. Such moments of pure comedy are to be well treasured.
JasonXXL
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2011-12-31 14:18:08 UTC
So your real complaint is that Trov undocked a carrier, not the fact that is neutral. Yesterday Trov had a non agreed 1v1 on V-station (ruppie vs ruppie) and we had some guys sitting in adjacent systems but why spoil a nice solo fight. Trov was winning and a carrier undocks to rep the hostile rupture (still died btw). I would not liked to be camped by a guy with a carrier waiting to undock, but let's face it, it's not something that is not easy countarable.

And I think you are referring to us staying docked while we were moving yesterday. Funny thing about moving is that you probably don't have your stuff in order right away. So, because we were also outnumbered we decided to stay docked intead of welping random ships. Would it have been nicer for you if we undocked? yes. Would it have been smart on our part? no.

Simple fact is that both sides use tactics to get an advantage over the other side. That is EVE. Of course, equal fights are more challenging but I doubt many people in EVE and especially not you would frown upon doing some ganking yourself.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#270 - 2011-12-31 14:29:14 UTC
JasonXXL wrote:
And I think you are referring to us staying docked while we were moving yesterday. Funny thing about moving is that you probably don't have your stuff in order right away. So, because we were also outnumbered we decided to stay docked intead of welping random ships. Would it have been nicer for you if we undocked? yes. Would it have been smart on our part? no.


I dont give a rat's ass what you did or didn't do yesterday since I didnt keep my eyes in system after seeing you cyno the capitals in (no doubt for the simple reason you want to put 100 man corp to chase 1 person in hope of "good fites"). The earlier part about being docked referred to SP-R idiots visiting Intaki and taking missions there and then moaning when the undock was camped.
JasonXXL
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#271 - 2011-12-31 15:01:38 UTC
Okay, so what you are saying then is that you are elite because you can camp in a bomber/mission shitstar with frigs while you are most likely outnumering the camped in target by a fair bit, and you are compleining about the fact that Trov uses a carrier to rep his ship and a booster in a system where he is outnumbered 5 to one very often. I agree Damar, you are elite.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#272 - 2011-12-31 16:51:41 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
JasonXXL wrote:
And I think you are referring to us staying docked while we were moving yesterday. Funny thing about moving is that you probably don't have your stuff in order right away. So, because we were also outnumbered we decided to stay docked intead of welping random ships. Would it have been nicer for you if we undocked? yes. Would it have been smart on our part? no.


I dont give a rat's ass what you did or didn't do yesterday since I didnt keep my eyes in system after seeing you cyno the capitals in (no doubt for the simple reason you want to put 100 man corp to chase 1 person in hope of "good fites"). The earlier part about being docked referred to SP-R idiots visiting Intaki and taking missions there and then moaning when the undock was camped.


Lol, i remember you trying that to my bombers, i only dock one toon at a time in intaki. If you bring an a thrasher and cnh for some risk free pvp id go and get a harbinger from agoze and force you to dock then undock my other toon lol. I even gave you a gf in local on the last occasion but you didnt reciprocate the pleasantry iirc :)

I remember you undocking a tempest as i left grid. Too slow damar, too slow.
DNLeviathan
Blue Canary
Watch This
#273 - 2011-12-31 17:04:11 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
JasonXXL wrote:
And I think you are referring to us staying docked while we were moving yesterday. Funny thing about moving is that you probably don't have your stuff in order right away. So, because we were also outnumbered we decided to stay docked intead of welping random ships. Would it have been nicer for you if we undocked? yes. Would it have been smart on our part? no.


I dont give a rat's ass what you did or didn't do yesterday since I didnt keep my eyes in system after seeing you cyno the capitals in (no doubt for the simple reason you want to put 100 man corp to chase 1 person in hope of "good fites").


damar still thinks our capitals are here for him lol thats funny
Aerilis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2011-12-31 22:07:10 UTC
Oh my this thread delivers.

/popcorn
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#275 - 2012-01-01 00:21:23 UTC
Aerilis wrote:
Oh my this thread delivers.

/popcorn


Your internet was working long enough to load this thread? Shocked
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#276 - 2012-01-01 08:28:40 UTC
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Glory to the State, Long Live Caldari.


But this is where we are for now... (I leave it up to you to imagine who is who...)
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#277 - 2012-01-01 09:05:30 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Glory to the State, Long Live Caldari.


But this is where we are for now... (I leave it up to you to imagine who is who...)


Damar is the hand grenade!

Happy new year all :)
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#278 - 2012-01-01 13:08:06 UTC
DNLeviathan wrote:
damar still thinks our capitals are here for him lol thats funny


Looks like all frog militia rejects are piling into Amarr/Minnie front now. Perhaps I should say I am going back to Black Rise now and see how they would inevitably follow me back. Even had spy alt (oh and isnt the amarr militia chat now crawling with them) attempting to get into a fleet today. Fortunately I knew him to be alt of a high-sec camper so he was rapidly kicked.

Later he was attempting to bait people to their deaths by "tackling" enemy ships.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#279 - 2012-01-01 18:36:27 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:


But this is where we are for now... (I leave it up to you to imagine who is who...)


Shotgun the noob who gets blown out of that tower Big smile
DNLeviathan
Blue Canary
Watch This
#280 - 2012-01-01 20:09:26 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
DNLeviathan wrote:
damar still thinks our capitals are here for him lol thats funny


Looks like all frog militia rejects are piling into Amarr/Minnie front now. Perhaps I should say I am going back to Black Rise now and see how they would inevitably follow me back. Even had spy alt (oh and isnt the amarr militia chat now crawling with them) attempting to get into a fleet today. Fortunately I knew him to be alt of a high-sec camper so he was rapidly kicked.

Later he was attempting to bait people to their deaths by "tackling" enemy ships.

im amased you still think this is all about you. no one really gives a rats ass where you are or what your doing. please do move back to black rise.