EVE General Discussion

you must be super perfect at eve then and i guess thats the reason you are here and people quit but tbh the htfu is getting rather boring, and it seems its used by people to define actions like this. really its pot meet kettle

you keep saying "why dont you help" blah blah but seriously what exactly could i do? go up to highsec with my -8.3 security status and just start shooting mercs who will either just dock up or blob everything with t3's until i die to concord, we both know thats not how to highsec.

im not really crying, im probably crying as much as you are trying to defend these actions with no real excuse apart from htfu or read a wiki before playing so they know mercs are gonna just farm them, i dont consider a debate about shooting noobs as crying but if it makes you feel like you are accomplishing something then yes im weeping like a little b!tch.

feel free to point out which points are factually incorrect or wrong.

please.

"stay classy" Yes, i agree.
I think thats what the guys from CCP have in mind when they talk about a dark harsh EvE.
A universe with classy Evildoers.
Not some pathetic seal clubbers.

EvE is known to have the steepest learning curve of oll MMOs around, but some measly groups insist, that newbros are not newbros anymore when they leave the starter systems. Or when the trial time is over...
And much more off this stupid excuses which can be shot down easily.

Hm. Time for more popcorn.
Thinking folks are getting a bit off track here anyways.
Mercs kill who they are paid to kill.
Doesn't really matter if they're baby seals or lions and tigers and bears, oh my.
Someone has paid ISK to ensure that someone else suffers harm.
Mercs facilitate this.

While all the white knightery going on is quite entertaining, the real issue here is the leadership of the victim corp and how they're doing their newbies dirty by recruiting them straight out of the rookie systems en masse without warning them that they're being thrust into a warzone.

That's the true griefing involved. A player who does know the score is gulling those who do not know any better into becoming cannon fodder for him, and then essentially abandoning them to the tender mercies of his enemies. I'm glad to hear the GM's are looking into this.

yup that's pretty true of an open world like EVE but i think the whole point of this thread is pointing out how this can't be good for retention of certain new guys. being killed 20 times or more within your first few weeks can't be a good experience for some of these guys.
while some get it and have some help from mates others find it really hard to get to grips with EVE.
but given time these guys could turn out to be great players and even great leaders. we deny ourselves of these people when they are crushed in this fashion.
ya know, to shut this topic of new guy retention down and prove it right or wrong once and for all perhaps the community should call a cease fire on all new bros for 3 months and see how it effects retention. does this fine community have the balls to experiment like this?? i believe so. but it might leave certain groups bored stupid and make them leave.
can't please all of the people all of the time i guess.
but still more help for the new bros is always a good thing. can't deny that, more in game warnings and even hints to help them??

I have absolutely no problem with the names one tiny mind that is less precious than dried sprog on bedsheets to me can come up with for me. Also, I suggest if you're going to call others incompetent, try not being so yourself, and spell incompetent correctly.

sorry, but i agree with ganking etc and believe its something which isnt in other games and its cool to know you cant just yolo around in complete safety, mercs too, its a different playstyle which is pretty cool but the massacre of noobs by vets is not player freedom, is there really such an issue that a player should be given a chance to learn a bit of the game before being roflstomped by a bunch of 30mil+ sp players?

its not fun getting spawn camped in call of duty nor does it teach you anything about the game. its not fun in any game to be at the receiving end of veteran players constantly just smashing you around, it gets boring and when i get bored of a game i just shut it down.

again the HTFU attitude is more aimed towards these seal clubbers because there is nothing hard about killing noobs, who cares if you were paid, it doesnt change the fact they are noobs that dont know the game and they are simply using them to pad stats, lame tactics

Yeah this. The fault lies with that CEO first. Maybe it's a noob farm, maybe they are just really bad at being a CEO, however it turns out, the blame sits with that CEO. If what is said in this thread is true, then those noobs would have been better off in a NPC corp.

Corps like the one the OP mentioned really should not exist.

"Like usual, it's the dickheads who try to recruit newbies into tax farms that are doing the real harm to this game."

That's the really weird thing. They've got a 0% tax for the corp.
I can understand how that would be attractive to new players, especially when all they've known is the NPC tax rate.
What I'm trying to understand is what this guy is actually getting out of this.
Granted, I have seen (and eaten) a few of them out there in Ventures. Maybe he's making them mine for him?
*shrug*

Well, now that's a weird one. Still his fault, of course, but that is fairly odd. Recruiting bot gone wrong?