Wormholes

Yes, we do. And if you will look and see, the insults were leveled at me first. I have every right to respond when attacked. You guys seem to miss the fact that you started throwing stones first. And all over a stupid roleplay thing....

I keep having these moments, like "Should I actually try and help these guys, or just let it go and watch the trainwreck from distance?". I keep posting though ... might have something to do with the fact power just went out at work, right as my alts hit 30% shield on a pos they're sieging (#bringing solo back).

****.

Anyway, I believe you made a bad move coming at the Bob thing in the way you have. Kalel's suggestion in your IGS thread about just creating a random diety would have worked much better. A lot of WH'ers couldn't care less about the Bob thing, others take it more serious, many are tired of it. But whatever way you look at it Bob is a part of the culture and community in w-space. Bob is not yours to take, reinterpret and then claim to be 'your' thing where everyone else is a scrub if they don't tow the line of your personal lore or indeed if they attack it. Meeting hostility or being trolled was absolutely inevitable with what you've done. *shrugs*

Your intentions were awesome, the execution ... not so.

Not all (or even many) wormholers are roleplayers. But they don't **** on others' who do either. Some of the best people in EVE live in wormholes. I've been in WHs and RP'd within this community for years and have maybe been attacked twice ever for being a roleplayer. The reason I manage to get at least a little respect is because I embrace the culture and live the WH life, from solo to small gang, T3 blobs to cap ganks, sieges and evictions. My characters do the actions to match their talk. You embrace the WH lifestyle and show people you're at least semi-competent and you'll find they in turn will often embrace (and even enjoy!) your characters and their RP. You've done quite the opposite though.

So where would I advise going from here? I really dunno, but any direction other than the current one.

Wormholers hate talk and no action, as much as they do NPC alts. Just the way the culture is. Gank a cap then post a Bob-inspired epiphany that came after or during it and maybe more will listen.

I feel like you are still failing to recognize that what you call claiming Bob to be "our" thing is RP. That's what a cult would do, claim that they have the only truth, the only god, etc. It is all just backstory for an RP thing we are trying to do. And maybe I made a mistake by not laying out the point of the RP thing in the first place. Prouentibus Bob is not going to be a part of the w-space community. It is about Drifter incursions and f-ing with the Amarr RPers. Bob is a cool concept with squat for lore. We aren't trying to squash the w-space tradition, we are creating a k-space and Thera dwelling religious extremist group that claims to be the only ones with the truth, as ALL RELIGIONS DO, as I have said before and looks up to w-space.. This isn't about trying to change the story in w-space. Bob in w-space is not conducive to serious RP however.

What I see is a "Wormholers believe this and that crazy cult believes this other thing" situation. This wasn't meant to be remolding of w-space culture, this was meant to be a seperate thing. A seperate thing with actual lore that people can read and roleplay, which I don't see w-space ever doing (and I'm not saying they should).

So, yeah, I'm not a "l33t PVP" guy? So what? Young character, newer player, so what? That has nothing to do with any of it.

I acknowledge that if we had picked a different god, then this shitstorm would not have resulted.

Anyway, the trigger is pulled, we are doing our thing. We will no longer respond to tears from the w-space community as that is proving to be self-defeating.

We have no bad blood toward the w-space community.

No, I believe I understand what you are aiming to achieve just fine, and I recognize RP when I see it. You're merely failing to recognize what you've done poorly and why it's been so poorly received. I'm trying to give you a little insight.


Well sure, but you didn't go about it that way. You rocked into a party where nobody recognises or knows you, and starting shitting up the place and throwing your weight around. On day 1 even you were in Trinket's thread carrying on without any provocation.


The thing with the wormhole community is about respect. A few well known and respected folks have done the Bob thing before to a small degree, and that's been well received because of who they are. Not just anyone can show up and start preaching their thing within a community to whom they are strangers. There are many ways to get respect in a community, being seen and taking part in stuff like it's forum, discussions regarding w-space development, and yes even being successful at pvp.

You needed a degree of some respect before you took on this topic with your chest puffed out.

Or you can do it as you have done, but don't complain when the heat is on you lol


Honestly there's no tears here in this thread or the others from anyone but yourselves.

You'd be able to see that if you knew this community at all. But you continue to demonstrate that you truly don't.

All points taken.

However...

1) You are defining "the wormhole community" as being a select few people who know each other and happen to hang out on the forums. That is a very select few among the total number of w-space residents. You don't know the people in my corp either, or my previous corp (possibly the CEO), nor most of the pilots in the larger groups (Low-Class, etc.). You are self-proclaiming yourselves to be "the wormhole community" which is some serious elitist BS that I completely reject. The wormhole community is made up of everyone in w-space.

2) I do take part in discussions about w-space development. Granted, not with you guys and not on the forums for two simple reasons: a) I have generally avoided the forums because have found them to be generally a haven of shitposting trolls, much like reddit. And b) because before I go throwing my opinion into the appropriate places on the forums regarding w-space, I'd like to know as much as possible about it. My two-cents generally works the same way as most wormhole residents: we have CEOs, etc., we discuss with them and they take all of that into consideration when they involve themselves in discussions with the people they are better connected to than your average line member. Most people in wormholes aren't directly involved in those kind of discussions as they don't get invited to things like the wormhole Roundtable Skype, etc. Yet those line members are still part of the community.

3) Yes, I understand that PVP is respected. However, not everyone is great at PVP and most people have to learn to get good at it. Choosing not to respect someone because they are still in that learning curve is elitist BS. Not respecting someone who tries and doesn't quit even though the die constantly is elitist. Not respecting someone, like me, who fights most of the time completely outnumbered and outgunned, but still comes back for more and enjoys the process in spite of the losses is elitist. The WH folks that I have come in contact with, who I consider to be damned good wormholers (I won't name names because I don't want to drag them into anything), people I'm sure you know who they are, express respect for things like determination, guts and desire to learn and improve. THOSE are the people I find worthy of respect, not shitposting trolls who like to use KB as some pointless measure of someone. A KB measure wins vs. losses, nothing more. It says nothing about the person.

4) The thing regarding Trinket was an RP comment. Looking back on it, probably not the right section for RP, but nonetheless, thats what it was. Now I see that the result of that was his friends that are forum lurking trolls decided to be butthurt for him and exact revenge. Whatever.

5) You claim no tears, but that is BS. "Cultural appropriation" was most definitely tears. You guys can deny it all you want, but several of your comments reveal the very real butthurt, so don't give me that no tears crap. I recognize that there was a lot of trolling, yes, but there was butthurt there too.

Anyway, now I know the w-space forums have a few shitposting trolls with superiority and relevance complexes. No big deal, I'll just bear it in mind for future.

Too bad you trashed my image of Isogen5, I really respected you guys as I have met some of the Isogen5 folks and they are excellent people. Now I just have to try to not color my opinion of the entire corp based on a few d-bags. Same goes for the rest of you.

You know, Orob, I'd finally thought you'd gained a sliver of insight and composure, but I come back later to find you've edited your post with a ton of the same rambling denial of any attempt to give insight lol

My first instinct was correct and I should have just let your trainwreck play out on it's on.

But then I got to this gem...


You see, what happens when you end up calling one of the few people that actually try to give you some constructive insight a 'd-bag' then start rambling on about their corp too, is that you lose another person who would have liked to see your RP workout somehow. Can never be enough RP/RPers even in w-space imo. But now you just have yet another person who can't wait to see your 'project' fall apart.

Maybe you should appoint someone else to post publicly?

I accept this challenge. For a one time donation of 5 (five) billion isk to "Andrew Jester" I will become the spokesperson for this terribly misunderstood group~

this guy got ethered in like 3 threads. Know when to take the L and give up

you aren't getting paid by the word friend)) brevity is the soul of wit



read up on your history fam

yo you should look up what hypocrisy means, you'll thank me in the future