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A thought about Boosters:
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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2015-07-29 15:47:40 UTC
Lucy Callagan wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
a few players who all have multiple accounts


All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.


You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#222 - 2015-07-29 16:24:36 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Lucy Callagan wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
a few players who all have multiple accounts


All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.


You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.


Ya and even then I doubt he'd make that much with targets largely avoiding the gate and scouting properly when it actually matters, plus having to split the loot several ways.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#223 - 2015-07-29 21:01:35 UTC
Legatus1982 wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Lucy Callagan wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
a few players who all have multiple accounts


All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.


You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.


Ya and even then I doubt he'd make that much with targets largely avoiding the gate and scouting properly when it actually matters, plus having to split the loot several ways.


I can make 900M isk in a week. It's called the market. Learn how to play the EVE market and you don't have to grind for isk, and the isk that flows into your coffers makes mission/exploration/mining isk pale in comparison.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2015-07-29 22:35:09 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Lucy Callagan wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
a few players who all have multiple accounts


All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.


You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.


Ya and even then I doubt he'd make that much with targets largely avoiding the gate and scouting properly when it actually matters, plus having to split the loot several ways.


I can make 900M isk in a week. It's called the market. Learn how to play the EVE market and you don't have to grind for isk, and the isk that flows into your coffers makes mission/exploration/mining isk pale in comparison.


.01 games don't appeal to me. I'd rather shoot red chevrons, frankly.
Lucy Callagan
Goryn Clade
#225 - 2015-07-30 00:59:57 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Lucy Callagan wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
a few players who all have multiple accounts


All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.


You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.



Making 1b worth of loot in one month isn't hard at all: for instance
This one (1.6b) paid July and will pay a part of august : https://zkillboard.com/br/44286/

Those one paid for June :
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47410293/ (ninja'd 400m)
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47212719/ (ninja'd 500m)
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47212810/ (ninja'd 120m)

And i don't gate camp.

Need more examples ?
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2015-07-30 10:00:40 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Lucy Callagan wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
a few players who all have multiple accounts


All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.


You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.


This is entirely possible. Not easy per say but i could definitely fund another account with a good month of PvP.
Lucy Callagan
Goryn Clade
#227 - 2015-07-30 10:04:09 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Lucy Callagan wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
a few players who all have multiple accounts


All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.


You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.


This is entirely possible. Not easy per say but i could definitely fund another account with a good month of PvP.


+ i got a friend who does solo blops, he make 8 to 10 b a month.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#228 - 2015-07-30 16:09:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
I'm glad you are doing well for yourself in pvp but this is far removed from the average pvp experience. And I'm certain you are well aware of that.

Also, the fact that you are making enough to pay for your account does not change in any way the fact that requiring multiple accounts to be competitive in pvp is poor design.
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2015-07-30 16:27:26 UTC
I have no problems getting good kills solo without a link alt. Its harder without one sure but its never put me in a situation where i did not feel competitive.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#230 - 2015-07-30 16:33:49 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
That really says more about you than the way links are used.


Once on grid boosting is mandatory - I'm going to savor popping your new falcon alt. The future looks delicious and you're falcon alt is on the menu!
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2015-07-30 19:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Demerius Xenocratus
Lucy Callagan wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Lucy Callagan wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
a few players who all have multiple accounts


All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.


You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.



Making 1b worth of loot in one month isn't hard at all: for instance
This one (1.6b) paid July and will pay a part of august : https://zkillboard.com/br/44286/

Those one paid for June :
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47410293/ (ninja'd 400m)
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47212719/ (ninja'd 500m)
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47212810/ (ninja'd 120m)

And i don't gate camp.

Need more examples ?


15-20 people on the killmails and they let you have all the loot? That's a sweet gig, where do I sign up?

How does your friend the solo BLOPser tackle his targets? Band of alts =/= solo.

Fully faction fit VNI's with 5 DDA's and no tank? Do you often encounter such idiocy where you fly? I don't think that is typical at all.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#232 - 2015-07-30 19:56:46 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
That really says more about you than the way links are used.


Once on grid boosting is mandatory - I'm going to savor popping your new falcon alt. The future looks delicious and you're falcon alt is on the menu!


Which falcon alt?
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2015-07-30 20:08:33 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
I have no problems getting good kills solo without a link alt. Its harder without one sure but its never put me in a situation where i did not feel competitive.


How do you compete against a linked faction frigate without your own links, or just avoiding them?

Additional barrier to entry to solo/small gang pvp which requires paying a second account and in many cases spending a considerable amount of money on a booster alt - this is not good for the game. Anyone who enjoys solo and small gang action should recognize this trend for the CANCER that it is.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2015-07-30 20:28:30 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
That really says more about you than the way links are used.


Once on grid boosting is mandatory - I'm going to savor popping your new falcon alt. The future looks delicious and you're falcon alt is on the menu!


Which falcon alt?


The one that every link user claims they will switch back to if links are brought on-grid.

Literally every thread.

"If you take muh links, I'll just go back to using a Falcon, so ha!"

Never mind that shows on killmails, can't enter novice or small plexes and is at much greater risk of being ganked.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#235 - 2015-07-30 20:41:07 UTC
No no, i mean which of my falcon alts does he intend to kill?
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#236 - 2015-07-30 20:42:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
Switch Savage wrote:
I have no problems getting good kills solo without a link alt. Its harder without one sure but its never put me in a situation where i did not feel competitive.


I don't have that problem either, in fact I've forced off or killed people who DO have links and/or implants and/or boosters and/or faction fits by myself just fine by using a fit that directly counters or can counter through some method what the other guy had. It's completely beside the point though. There are people who are getting significant bonuses from the extra money they paid to CCP (one of the people posting in this thread *COUGH*) via links and probably also other benefits acquired through the use of such links.

The bottom line is that someone is paying CCP money for a second account for an in-game combat bonus that other players don't have access to. It's not the least bit complicated about how this is p2w. Anyone arguing against such a point is likely intentionally being ignorant because they've been reaping the benefits for a long time and they don't want to give up that advantage.

In Crosi's case, I'm glad he's using his links in an anti-blob fashion, but that doesn't change the fact that he's winning fights in large part due to the fact that he has links and his opponents, blob or otherwise, do not. And it's not to diminish Crosi's individual skills in the game, I'm sure he'd still do very well without his links. It's just a fact of life that people are going to have to accept sooner or later that the money he pays for a second account (or PLEX pays for) provides him a combat bonus.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#237 - 2015-07-30 20:43:13 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
No no, i mean which of my falcon alts does he intend to kill?
All of them I imagine, seeing as they'll have to be on grid and can't run away at 10k m/s.

Maybe you can use them to protect an on-grid booster?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#238 - 2015-07-30 20:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
I guess since he will bring a blob to kill them that means quality pvp will be had by all.

God forbid someone actually uses probes to solve the problem for themselves. Or solve any problem for that matter lol.
Arla Sarain
#239 - 2015-07-30 21:37:22 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I guess since he will bring a blob to kill them that means quality pvp will be had by all.

God forbid someone actually uses probes to solve the problem for themselves. Or solve any problem for that matter lol.

So, do they multi-task between two accs?
And is this during a fight or not?

And once they actually get a probe hit do you stay in a fight? Would you even commit to a fight?
I suppose no to both, in which case what problem does it fix? Because there is no encounter worth bothering over.

You can't possibly argue that the individual opponent should scan you down, hopping between two accs during an actual fight...
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2015-07-30 21:49:29 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I guess since he will bring a blob to kill them that means quality pvp will be had by all.

God forbid someone actually uses probes to solve the problem for themselves. Or solve any problem for that matter lol.


You kick off the N+1 contest with your links, except your +1 is hidden an arguably more useful given your play style than having a second pilot on grid. You can't simultaneously argue for links being not cancer because they can be countered by blobbing, then complain about blobbing.

This game revolves around blobbing, except for a few players with e-honor. The only reason solo links are ever viable against a blob is because the blob is BRAVE or an FW rookie corp too dumb to send a team after your links.

Links are cancer. You know it, I know it.