Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello

Now before you all go off at me for being a "noob" and "getting ganked" - I have never been ganked in a barge, i have not been killed in empire except when fighting war targets. I am posting this for the benefit of bringing new players into EvE.

What's wrong with multiple war decs?

In short, a lot, but, this has a direct effect on Null Sec & Low Sec, to claim it doesn't is the height of stupidity, why go to null to find fights when u can join a high sec griefer alliance that has thousands of war decs and targets in every system, half of which can't fight back? Easy kills, easy money, let's do it! No. This needs to change.

Lol you think it effects Null Sec, You're An Idiot.

I'm afraid not, the direct proof is that Null Sec, is empty, we roam in there all the time and in low sec, the areas of the game are dead, because what's the point in risking ships in "actual pvp fights" with other pilots who are trying just as hard to kill you, when you can blow up faction fit newish player mission ships n make billions?

So what do u suggest?

I suggest that corporations and alliances are limited to 5 war decs available.

This in effect means that large alliances cannot turn high sec into there own personal Null Sec, it means they have to go to Null Sec to get a target rich environment. It would also mean less combat in market hubs and less strain on the servers.

So to the point i recommend thus:@

Each corporation and alliance has a 5 war dec limit. This means they can ONLY declare 5 wars at any one time.

Each corporation and alliance can only be declared war upon, 3 times. This prevents things like i.e Goonswarm being perma decked by every large griefer alliance in the game.

For a corporation to declare war, they must have no fewer than 7 active members i.e 7 numbers. This would stop the alts of people who just like to **** mining corps off.

This would in effect make "mercs" an actual play style as they would have to get out of hubs and look for their targets. I.e what real mercs do.

These changes would force so called high sec griefer "pvp pilots" out of high sec and into low/null and would enhance that side of the game. You can see my personal killboard and know i PvP in low/null. So this is not me whining. We have a low sec HQ and if people are stupid enuff to get caught by war targets, that's there issue. I am a PvP pilot, i do "real" PvP, not high sec griefing. Bottom line is, this needs to stop

I am just tired of new corps being slammed into the floor by griefer alliances and corps. It needs to stop and CCP need to do summit about it.

I was , WTF
But yes limiting offensive war number is good - as long as you can "get" unlimited number of wars.

No limit on player count , or similar stuff.

Maybe , rly maybe - block ability to join to corporation if it have any offensive wars , to prevent jumping.

I shouldn't be forced to move to null if I want to PvP. Simple as that. Are Mass Wardecs a problem? Sorta kinda. Some limit needs to be placed, maybe. But when a corp is willing to put itself under the pressure of have over 5000+ Wartargets they are not really being Risk adverse as you imply.

5000+ players of a 300corps with little to no idea on what they are capable of can really bite Mercenary Alliances in the ass sometimes. Energy Alliance, Ultima Ratio, Stratagem, Nulli, Dredd- The Purification Project, all have proven to be a headache to many Mercenaries.


Also the only reason mass wardecs happen is due to the increased warcost added years ago. No longer was War cheep. People needed to ban together pool isk in order to keep the warfund going. As more people joined Marmite, Forsaken and the such, the bigger the wallet got. The more the alliance could dec. With more people in the corp Merc Alliance could make Poco holding corps and defend them when needed. And take Poco's, making it again, more money to go to war.


Next off, Highsec Mercs are not griefers. They paid isk to dec you. You were idiotic enough to think you could go mission in your battleship. If a pilot can afford a battleship how are they defenseless? How can they not 'fight back'?

Players who die in highsec in a Mission fit Battleships are not weak, they simply refuse to fight back, they are weak because they allow themselves to be weak. Highsec Mercs are not griefers, they simply use a mechanic in game. If that is griefing then PL taking BR is griefing because they ruined 'Hero's Game'.

Next off, Wardec is not profitable without a contractor to pay for services rendered, sometimes you get lucky and find a faction fitted Rattler or a Dead Space fitted Golem but those are far and few between and more often than not in my case, usally ger repurposed to my own ships rather than sold.




1. How is 'your' PVP different from mine? Why do you consider yourself so special? Because you targets shoot back? How is it my fault that some jackwagon would rather self-destruct than fight me when I catch him? He had every option to fit for PVP but he chose not to. He made the choice, took that risk, and was punished for it.

2. Claiming nullsec is empty because Highsec Wardeccers stay in highsec is ********. Highsec Wardeccers stay in Highsec because other people stay in highsec. If you want to force (Which ruins the sandbox environment) to leave highsec, take away the ability to make ISK in highsec. IE Nerfing incursion payouts

3. Not every player fits stupidly bling **** in highsec more often than not it's just a T2 fitted ****. Wardeccers fit FAR more expensive **** to their ships.






Forcing players down a linear path is game breaking to a Sandbox type game. Which is what you're trying to do. You intentionally trying to break a very dedicated core of players.




Lol, So if I don't want to be decs I'll just make three alt corps and have them dec my corp so I can't be decced at all. Good plan bro.




Um, what? The Aggressing corp has to have 7 members in order to dec? Or the Defending corp needs at least 7 players to be dec? Either way is flawed beyond belief.

his would in effect make "mercs" an actual play style as they would have to get out of hubs and look for their targets. I.e what real mercs do.

These changes would force so called high sec griefer "pvp pilots" out of high sec and into low/null and would enhance that side of the game. You can see my personal killboard and know i PvP in low/null. So this is not me whining. We have a low sec HQ and if people are stupid enuff to get caught by war targets, that's there issue. I am a PvP pilot, i do "real" PvP, not high sec griefing. Bottom line is, this needs to stop

I am just tired of new corps being slammed into the floor by griefer alliances and corps. It needs to stop and CCP need to do summit about it.

Yeah, you are an idiot. I don't care that you 'Know how to PVP in Low and Null" I've gone into Low and blown **** up before, it was fun. Doesn't mean I have any right to demand ****. And yeah you are totally whining the amount of times you called Mercs griefers makes that horrendously apparent.


TL;DR No, you're an idiot, and no.

Not saying anything about the rest of your post, but these parts of your idea are simply not good. The first is a way to pay to avoid all war declarations. The second one is just plain arbitrary and worthless.

No problem in altorps declaring additional wardecs, simply limiting insta corp changing can be benefit.

If they can afford the decs then let them have as many as they want.

Its a two way street. Increasing your number of targets increases the amount of people that can team up and kill you. Whos fault is it really that you are so helpless? Its not like marmite only Dec noob corps...

What I would like to see changed though:

- No Corp hopping/joining aggressors during Dec
- A way for defenders to end the Dec early by being not awful.
- allies for both defenders and aggressors

There are already ways to avoid wardecs, inconvenient but not hard. If you have a 200 man corp and marmite or some other corp or alliance dec's you it isnt a secret you know about it and if you you dont take appropriate steps to protect yourself then the problem is you, not the system.

The only idea i liked seeing posted in the past year so far about making any change to war decs was posted by Tor Bushido.

Make it so that its more expensive for larger groups to dec smaller groups, and less expensive for smaller groups to dec larger groups.

Start with the 50 million standard fee maybe, and use increments....
a posible example could be like:

Agressor has 100 members(active or inactive) decs a group 50 man or smaller and has to pay 100 million Isk instead of 50

Same agressor dec's someone that has 200(twice their number) so it only costs 50million.....

just a thought.

To the OP......
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I could support some sort of disincentive to make declaring multiple wars, or wars by large entities against smaller entities, more expensive, but I don't support hard limits.

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hisec has too much, too free, and too easy griefing (it's not PvP when it's griefing).

When we remove griefing so it becomes actually PvP, then it will be redundant. Until then, we need hundreds more threads like this.