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Application thorax??

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-07-21 23:54:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
I get tired of being kited, blasters have abysmal range. I get a thorax with cruiser 5 for that tracking bonus, then I put the dual 250mm rail guns because they have the best tracking for medium rail guns. I then add a tracking scripted module and a tracking rig.


Surprise surprise I can't hit that orbiting svipul at 20km and I can't hit that stratios at 800m I have webbed down.

How do I apply ranged damage as gallente? Blasters get kited, rails get targets too fast to track, and don't tell me drones. I already know about "Ishtar online".

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Orlacc
#2 - 2015-07-22 00:52:37 UTC
So drones are bad? They will tear up a Svipul


Something like this:

[Thorax, Rails]]

200mm Prototype Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun

X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Hammerhead II x5

Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x1000

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-07-22 01:31:41 UTC
You have to manage your transversal velocity well, the tracking bonus only does so much. I've only recently begun practicing this by manual piloting with a friend and it takes some getting used to.

Grrr.

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-07-22 03:55:56 UTC
Maybe you should pay some attention to his signature and both velocity factors.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Riven Varlass
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-07-22 06:51:14 UTC
Transversal and Signature radius makes or breaks your application. I've had a Svipul triple webbed, sitting 1000m away from my glass cannon Thorax. I could not dent it because of links reducing the signature, making me graze and miss most of the time.
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#6 - 2015-07-22 08:43:51 UTC
I think you need two webs rather than trying to play the tracking game.

Two webs will let you control any crazy transversal up close and manual piloting will help for the things that kite from afar.

Really though.....you will lose a ton of ships before you master this stuff.....so uh....be prepared.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-07-22 11:53:12 UTC
Or go dual web, mwd and blasters. The thorax is fast as hell. You could consider web drones? I know most people won't mess around with any ewar drone other than dishonor drones but they do wrok surprisingly well.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-07-22 11:59:49 UTC
anyone notice that he said 250mm have the best tracking...?
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#9 - 2015-07-22 12:58:33 UTC
Probably was referring to dual 150mm.

Tried 100mn Thorax? It's not fast, but it's usually faster than that webscrammed ship.
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-07-22 13:27:59 UTC
[Thorax, Kite Raxx]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II

50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Small Capacitor Booster II,Navy Cap Booster 400

200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I

I prefer small cap booster over defensive web. Drop booster + traversal matching and you will have no trouble smashing stuff.

Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#11 - 2015-07-22 13:27:59 UTC
Checked out his Thorax fits on Zkill. Don't remember if I can post killmails here or not, but they need some real work. Also once you move into T2 weaponry your damage application will improve. But you gotta get that fit sorted out.
Thron Legacy
White Zulu
Scorpion Federation
#12 - 2015-07-22 14:19:53 UTC
or you could do blaster thorax with mwd against kiters...
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-07-22 14:45:42 UTC
i always fit damps to my thorax ;)

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zippy1963
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-07-23 07:18:12 UTC
I always fit ECM Drones and Warriors to my thorax and dual prop it just like my Deimos..
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#15 - 2015-07-23 18:00:36 UTC
My preferred buffer fit for a Thorax is a hull tank.

No, I'm not kidding.

You lose a little EHP, but you don't blow your own sig with an extender or kill your maneuverability with a plate, nor do you need any fitting mods.

1x DC2, 1x Reinforced Bulkheads, and 3x Bulkhead rigs. This leaves you with 4 mids and 3 lows to play with. Scram/dual web blaster fits work, as do point/painter rail fits. Just don't plan on looting much or using cap boosters as you'll have a tiny cargo hold.

Enjoy.

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My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-07-28 23:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
Checked out his Thorax fits on Zkill. Don't remember if I can post killmails here or not, but they need some real work. Also once you move into T2 weaponry your damage application will improve. But you gotta get that fit sorted out.



There is no tracking difference in the 150mm dual railguns at all, the only difference I would get is more range with less tracking, or blaster range with slightly better but still rail tracking (due to T2 ammunition).


I don't follow the microwarp drive like people tell me to. last time I did that I could have used an afterburner to much better effect when I had two webs and a diemos had dual prop with only a scram, yes he was missing shot when I would orbit a bit without having a working prop mod. This fit is so I can hit the kitey crap, but it doesn't hit anything. I probably should just go for large autcannons. Those things can hit a microwarp vexor at 40km or 15km distance. I warped out at 15 in hull when I realized oribitng wasn't going to work on LARGE minmatar weapons, while large railguns arent going to hit battleships and large blasters aren't getting no 40km reasonably.

Strange enough the buffer dual web Vexor seems to do better at pvp than any rail thorax i've had. Surprisingly the only time a rail thorax did me any good was with mid sized cruiser railguns against some multiboxed thrashers chasing me on approach.


I'm not going for blasters because they have too short a range. I am trying to get good application out of a gallente cruiser without going cookie cutter or drones for the derp.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-07-29 09:36:05 UTC
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Aurure
some random local shitlords
#18 - 2015-07-29 10:10:30 UTC
Holy dipshit, u wot m8

You can't kite with just an ab, dude. It's like saying you want to break the world record for velicity of a human in a vehicle and then decide a horse cart with one wheel missing is the only thing that can get you there.

If you want to kite as a thorax, maybe try the pulse laser thorax. It isn't even nearly as horrible as it sounds. And never has a spacedildo been that fancy.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-07-29 11:49:25 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
Checked out his Thorax fits on Zkill. Don't remember if I can post killmails here or not, but they need some real work. Also once you move into T2 weaponry your damage application will improve. But you gotta get that fit sorted out.



There is no tracking difference in the 150mm dual railguns at all, the only difference I would get is more range with less tracking, or blaster range with slightly better but still rail tracking (due to T2 ammunition).


I don't follow the microwarp drive like people tell me to. last time I did that I could have used an afterburner to much better effect when I had two webs and a diemos had dual prop with only a scram, yes he was missing shot when I would orbit a bit without having a working prop mod. This fit is so I can hit the kitey crap, but it doesn't hit anything. I probably should just go for large autcannons. Those things can hit a microwarp vexor at 40km or 15km distance. I warped out at 15 in hull when I realized oribitng wasn't going to work on LARGE minmatar weapons, while large railguns arent going to hit battleships and large blasters aren't getting no 40km reasonably.

Strange enough the buffer dual web Vexor seems to do better at pvp than any rail thorax i've had. Surprisingly the only time a rail thorax did me any good was with mid sized cruiser railguns against some multiboxed thrashers chasing me on approach.


I'm not going for blasters because they have too short a range. I am trying to get good application out of a gallente cruiser without going cookie cutter or drones for the derp.


You know you don't have to use T2 ammo right.

Dual 150mms on a thorax can hit out to 30km with spike (with no range mods) and out to scram range with javelin.

You obviously need to have ammo for in between ranges as well.

You can't fit large autocannons on a thorax, so not sure what your point there is with that.

Also if you were being tracked by large autocannons in a vexor you were doing it wrong or he had you webbed and painted.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#20 - 2015-07-29 14:40:17 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
There is no tracking difference in the 150mm dual railguns at all, the only difference I would get is more range with less tracking, or blaster range with slightly better but still rail tracking (due to T2 ammunition).


The difference is in T2 ammo. Spike and Null (for rails and blasters) increases your range, while Javelin (for rails) improves your tracking. The base stats on the weapons is the same.

Hal Morsh wrote:
I don't follow the microwarp drive like people tell me to. last time I did that I could have used an afterburner to much better effect when I had two webs and a diemos had dual prop with only a scram, yes he was missing shot when I would orbit a bit without having a working prop mod.


MWDs and ABs have very different uses. MWDs are used to dictate range, either by running your target down to tackle them or to maintain range on them. ABs are used mainly to maneuver at close range under heavy tackle (scram/web). Dual prop is often hard to fit, but very handy for blaster users.

Hal Morsh wrote:
Strange enough the buffer dual web Vexor seems to do better at pvp than any rail thorax i've had. Surprisingly the only time a rail thorax did me any good was with mid sized cruiser railguns against some multiboxed thrashers chasing me on approach.


I'm not going for blasters because they have too short a range. I am trying to get good application out of a gallente cruiser without going cookie cutter or drones for the derp.


I have used 200mm rail/AB Thorax before. I could engage at a variety of ranges, but I couldn't engage well at any of them. Fitting 250mm rails on a Thorax is just too hard due to fitting limitations so I tend to avoid them.

Dual web anything is very powerful if you can get into web range. You'll basically lock your target down and have your way with them. That coupled with a Vexor's raw DPS potential is quite powerful. (Incidentally, the comments I posted above about a hull-tanked Thorax apply just as well to the Vexor. You can get a dual-web, hull-tanked Vexor with 700 DPS or more. Nasty.)

Blasters boats are hard to fly well. You need to really know how to manually pilot your ship to get the best use out of them. Things like maintaining parallel course instead of orbiting, slingshotting to close range on fast boats kiting you, etc. It's not just orbit and shoot.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

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