EVE General Discussion

While it makes life easier its a further dumbing down of the game.
I did not ask for easier.

Next on the menu: Faction warfare should be accessable with negative faction standing...go do it...do it NOW.

I don't really care what people fly (unless I want to kill it), nor see the relevance of that comment to the discussion, since what I want is hardly any more relevant than what anyone else wants.

It's just an opinion. One that CCP Seagull has mentioned she has. Her opinion means a lot more than mine.

Yeah sure, though perhaps my edit explains a bit more completely why I don't see the relevance of asking me whether I want everyone to be flying a Marauder.

Ccp is awesome +1

When I read about this "bug", and that there would not be consequences for taking advantage of it, my top priority in game became to train alts for jump clones and get them in a rush. Now I will be able to be more intelligent about it, and plan a bit better.

I certainly understand that some feel this undermines their having built up rep with NPCs. But, they got compensation while building that rep up, they get many other benefits from such rep, and there are really, at least in my opinion, too many benefits for veterans as it is. You want veterans to have benefits, but this game takes it further than the other games I have personal experience with.

And it was not like you could not use one of the corporations providing those benefits, or simply join a corporation, get the jump clones, and then leave.

The big impact of this seems good for the game in my own opinion. It makes life a little easier for new players, it encourages PvP by making jump clones more easily available, and it opens up a lot of game play for many.

No doubt some hate it, and they are entitled to that point of view. But I give CCP a big plus on this, even if, like penicillin, it was completely by accident.

I like this decision to have no standings for jump clones... which is why I hate that CCP decided to keep it.

It wasn't much of barrier, there were 3 ways to get Jump Clones Previously each required a Form of Standings

From NPCs required standings with the station owner
From Player Stations/Outposts required standings/docking rights with the station/outpost owner
From another player with a Rorq/Titan fit with a clone vat bay, willing to be in space for you to create and jump to it.

The only one that was effected was the first one, frankly I'd like to see NPCs that set docking rights in the same way that Players preventing low standing Players from docking

I don't see it as a serious issue, locators for everyone! Up the ISK fee, it's comical, I run L4 locators as quickly as I can dock with them and never think about the price.

I like that I don't have to look for specific stations now. My standings are pretty good with a good selection of corps so I had pretty good choice for JCs. but just going to any station with a clone facility that part is nice.

For mission runners having access to JCs is important too, different implant sets, or have clones in different regions to have multiple agents available.

given the number of work arounds to standings (and past a certain point 8.0 standings is an annoyance more than anything else), or making JCs at a player facility. I can only agree that it is a silly barrier.

Eve is a sandbox; except...... I guess no one remembers when everyone went to jita and blew up everything in protest over the implications of aurum.

Standings is a component of interacting with the lore of the game. The rules of lore is that it applies to all equally. By removing this facet of the game, Lore loses it's continuity and therefore it's validity. Might as well remove all faction tie ins in the game. Get rid of faction warfare. Stop the incursions, sleepers, and drifters. Then it will only be the coalitions, alliances and corps. Get rid of hi sec and lo sec (both are tied into lore) and both were changes to the game.

Many decisions that players made were directed by the rules of standings. I chose sisters as it damaged my standings the least against the different major factions. Allowing me to continue to operate throughout eve unhindered by npc navy or pirate pursuit. In retrospect with the new rules, I should have not interacted with the lore of the game, but gone straight to nul. Joined a major alliance. Then I would train to be a fleet pvp cap pilot and f1 my way through everyday. Salvage wrecks for income. Alliance SRP would replace my ships. No risk, no pain and all gain.

I disagree with the removal of standings requirements, as much as i didn't agree with the idea that aurum could be used to acquire skills that took "too long to train".

The common thread to eve was that we all knew that we all had to operate within a system that had a strong history that would facilitate a present and create a future with continuity for all of the players.

Allowing access to this "big step" without any sense of earning it creates an entitlement atmosphere. Bitter Vets are created via this process. Many Bitter vets leave, and discourage those they interact with fo not come to the game because of the perceived and or valid inequities.

To keep the game "real", those changes designed specifically to give low sp/new players many more opportunities than the older player would ever dream of is simply short sighted. The success of eve seems to have been tied to the arduous player learning process and it's related challenges. This struggle reinforces the social aspect of the game. The other great draw to eve.

I do and have supported programs like the magic school bus. It allows old players to facilitate newer players and grow the game as it is.

Changing standings related opportunities will move eve away from the short, middle and long term game; to the today and tomorrow game.

This isn't dumbing down eve, this process of rule changes is simplifying eve so much that it may become boring. Basically, a first person shooter.