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Skins aren't unique enough.

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Azusa Asara
Asara Corporation
#1 - 2015-07-29 10:56:57 UTC
Getting past the point that certain SKINs are still arbitrarily overpriced, every time new SKINs are released I rush to the web page to see the screens, and am disappointed every time.

- They are unattractive (washed out, too shiny, bad colours/colour combination or colour placement, tiny hidden decals)

- They are not unique, The new Amarr EOM SKINs are literally a flipped Kador SKIN, all they did was reverse the colour scheme, The Amarr Ardishapur SKINs are a lower contrast Navy SKIN, all the Minmitar skins are too similar.

- The new shaders have made older SKINs bad looking, and they have not been updated to look like they did previously as shown Here in Uriel's recent post and Here in my own post comparing the Textures Pre-Post Rhea. SKINs that looked amazing now look bad and are being kept that way instead of being updated.



SKINs need to be BOLD, they need to have contrast, better placed and larger secondary colours, larger interesting decals. Anything to make them stand out not only from the original SKIN, but from other SKINs as well.

CCP Has added a select few SKINs that are very nice, "most" of the Tash-Murkon SKINs, the Oracle Khanid, the Buzzard and Hookbill Wiyrkomi and a few of the Inner zone shipping Gallente SKINs are great. (this being my own personal opinion)



Even if CCP keeps doing SKINs as is, a great way to personalize would be a single decal.

- Have a choice of decals, (some NPC corporation and faction logos, some random things like Skulls, Snakes, lightening bolts and other interesting objects or creatures and abstract patterns)
- Decals can be Resized, Tiled, Moved and Rotated
- Be any colour
- Can be applied to ANY ship

You would use AUR to purchase a "decal slot" (not a slot on a ship fitting) and you can use that slot to save the Decal you make, the decal can be changed as many times as you like but the change will apply to any ships it is on, so if you want ships to have different Decals, pay for more Decal Slots. It would cost ISK proportionate to the Ship size to apply the decal.

For in game aspects, the Faction logo decals could have to be purchased from LP stores or require standing to use.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#2 - 2015-07-29 21:57:40 UTC
my personal opinion, is that good skins will have a HIGHLY distinctive colour pattern, say, the blue amarr one (i forget what it's called), that's kinda cool, the orange and steel gallente one - pretty good, the minmatar ones, that are just a leeetle bit darker/lighter - seriously - who cares?

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2015-07-30 05:55:55 UTC
If you cannot even remember that the blue-gray Amarr skin is the Kador Skin, it can't be all that distinctive. Roll With regards to to the Minmatar skin: Welcome to racial flavor. Minmatar have no need for christmas tree like color bonanzas that the Gallente or regal family crest representation that the Amarr cherish. The Minmatar's colors represent their tribes and their war torn history as well as the need to hide and go unnoticed instead of attracting attention like a moron. Deal with it and wait until CCP opens up skins from other races to be applied to other ships.

Obligatory: SKINs should be ISK exclusives and not buyable via real money, directly or indirectly.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-07-30 13:14:47 UTC
I'm starting to like some of the new skins, but there are some already existing skins on tech 2 ships that I have long liked a lot more. Excellent examples: Thukker Mix and Kaalakiota. Give us some of those on tech 1 and I might have a reason to spend my free Aurum. Make a top hat and I'll be willing to turn a PLEX to Aurum just for it.

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Wylde Kardde
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-07-30 15:57:15 UTC
I agree that majority of skins have been somewhat boring ..and considering Caldari SKINs are nearly all wyrikomi (bland/boring) I've yet to purchase one. Anyone that thinks Minmatar (lorewise) don't care about ship color please explain why the Brutor tribe the one with the most war-torn past would have camo on their hulls and stations, camo is 3-4x harder to paint than a single finish. There is no reason it's a game, camo symbolizes that they are the military and not the police. If people fly minmatar their $15.00 shouldn't buy them a skin that hardly makes it look any different than before.

Still waiting on even 1 Brutor skin, my alltime favorite ship color scheme doesn't even have 1 SKIN available.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#6 - 2015-07-30 16:32:18 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
The whole point of a luxury, purely cosmetic item, such as a ship skin, is to be noticeable. You want people to notice that you sprung for that expensive luxury item. If people cannot notice it, then it is not worth the money. This is something that CCP has consistently fouled up with the NES. First, the prices are ridiculous for many items. Second, you do not necessarily get a noticeable cosmetic benefit for the price.

I'm not saying the monocle is a good price, but for someone who spends a lot of time on the forums, it is a reasonable purchase. Everyone notices, "Oh, he got a monocle." A top hat, or a tuxedo, or some other distinctive clothing items could perform a similar role. But spending any money for a slightly different military-style jacket is just silly.

Same goes for ship skins. I currently own five ship skins.



  • The Sarum Revelation - looks amazing, and very Amarr.


  • Quafe Thanatos - looks great, very distinctive.


  • Police Kronos - distinctive appearance, plus "whoop, whoop, the Space Police are here to deal with those Serpentis criminals!"


  • Sanctuary Astero - makes the Astero look and feel more covert to me.


  • Justice Naglfar - I regret buying this one. I can hardly tell that it's on there.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-07-30 16:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
FT Diomedes wrote:

  • Justice Naglfar - I regret buying this one. I can hardly tell that it's on there.

Then don't buy it. This is the Replic Justice Department's identifying colors, which are in line with the other Minmatar faction's more unflashy, unobtrusive color pattern. Minmatar have fought a war as the outgunned, outmatched guerrilla fighters for centuries. Had they been running around like a christmas tree like the Amarr or Gallente, there would not have been a Minmatar faction in the first place. Whether you like it or not, these more unspectacular colors are inherent to the Minmatar's identity. If you do not like that, do not buy Minmatar corporations' SKINs and wait for CCP to release cross-faction skins or skin licenses to create your own skins.

What you are trying to do is to force your own warped expectations and desires on something that is not compatible with them. No Minmatar faction corp needs to suit your (non-personal your) gusto, they need to fit their and the Minmatar identity. Whatever cross-faction SKINs are going to do to these hulls, on the other hand, is a completely different matter. By the looks of it, however, CCP should probably accelerate the development in this area as a lot of people seem to like to use a Sarum Naglfar or a Quafe Tempest. You are losing out on money, CCP! Roll (actually, you are not, you just get it later. I almost had made the same fallacy as all the people, new and old, in the skill point discussion about the training time. That was close.)

(And before you come with Nefantar: They are heavily influenced by Amarr Empire procedures and have not been in the same situation as the other tribes.)

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