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Any incoming changes to battleships?
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2015-07-28 21:30:36 UTC
Shrike Crendraven wrote:
Bigger and more expensive ships are meant to be better in every aspect, yes. One good thing about eve is that the balance is about the money. The more u pay, the better stuff u get.

I'd say cars are a good analogy - sure u can drive a dacia duster - its a good car, but a range rover thats priced around 100.000+ eur *is* better in each and every aspect. Why isnt everyone driving a range rover then??? Those dumb people!! :D See my point?

BS should require a significant party of smaller ships to defeat - lets say 3-5 cruisers. (currently one cruiser can pretty much destroy a battleship, isnt it wrong?)

The price should be a barrier so not everyone can buy and fly one - i dont really see any problems. Imaging BS hulls for 15bil apiece. Creditcard warriors wont care, gankers wil be supperhappy to organize a bs-ganking party, finally whoever gets a BS will be happy as they get more firepower and "relative" (;-)) safety.

It really does not have to be "fair". Please adjust the price so the loss of one can really hurt. And give them the power they lack.


That was the thought process behind titans and supers, last year we hit 20,000 of them.
Valkin Mordirc
#22 - 2015-07-28 21:31:12 UTC

OP is obviously trolling at this point. That or he's just an idiot likely a mix of both.
#DeleteTheWeak
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2015-07-28 23:07:27 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
I'm a person who use Battleships ALOT. And i can say after using Battleships since 2005 that they are awesome if you use them correctly and knows what you are doing.

I have several videos where i use Battleships aswell. Expecting to see a Battleship perform well by slapping on some random stuffs on a Battleship and go around with it not knowing what you are doing with it, wont get you far.

Here you have 3 videos that i have made through the last years where i mainly use Battleships.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i58srJMfrfM

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u2YSu0ugts

3. This one is special considering this was done in high sec: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-_61zfTE8

If you feel that you don't know enough about Battleships, you can ask me, because i know everything about them.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-07-29 10:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
Shrike Crendraven wrote:
BS should require a significant party of smaller ships to defeat - lets say 3-5 cruisers. (currently one cruiser can pretty much destroy a battleship, isnt it wrong?)


i think this is wrong as well. take a pvp fit t1 bs and a pvp fit t1 cruiser, id still say the bs would win. your looking at 20-30k ehp for standard cruiser iirc. wheras a bs ur looking at several times that. not to mention several times the damage. the only problem is application. but you never said anythign about that or how your test would be carried out. you just made a blanket statement that a cruiser acn beat a bs.

i would like to ask whoch cruiser vs which bs and what fits are they using and what are the circumstances. eg is the cruiser under the bs guns from the start? or do they satrt 50km from each other. etc. with certain fits the vargur (yes i know its t2) will hit cruiser <15km with relative ease. Im sure t1 bs can pull of the same thing with certain fit.

so no a cruiser cannot destory a bs 1on 1 where no failfit is involved or pvp vs pve fit.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-07-29 10:23:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
No frigate is going to tackle a properly fit Megathron on it's own.

No Frigate isn't going to even touch a properly fitted Barghest or Raven.

No frigate will take down a Rattler Geddon or Domi.

I'm really getting tired of these Battleships sux ccpls fix threads




aa not really true.

Several AB frigates can easily tackle those battleships, and if they can kill the drones (easy on all but the geddon and domi) they can simply hold it almost forever. The easiest ones on your list are the bharghest and raven. They have NOTHING against a well fit and used frigate.

The problem with battleship arises from them losing 50% of their mobility not long ago, but not gaining anything in return. THere is very very few reasons to bring a battleships instead of a T3 cruiser.

Small adjustments would be enough. For example, slighly larger scan resolution, slighly alrger lock range so they coudl use MJD offensively.. etc...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2015-07-29 10:49:17 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
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Several AB frigates can easily tackle those battleships, and if they can kill the drones (easy on all but the geddon and domi) they can simply hold it almost forever. The easiest ones on your list are the bharghest and raven. They have NOTHING against a well fit and used frigate....


Cant tell if if you believe this or you are trying to get more frigates to leap into your ravens waiting maw.
big miker
Frogleap Factories
#27 - 2015-07-29 10:55:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-07-29 10:57:56 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
I'm a person who use Battleships ALOT. And i can say after using Battleships since 2005 that they are awesome if you use them correctly and knows what you are doing.

I have several videos where i use Battleships aswell. Expecting to see a Battleship perform well by slapping on some random stuffs on a Battleship and go around with it not knowing what you are doing with it, wont get you far.

Here you have 3 videos that i have made through the last years where i mainly use Battleships.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i58srJMfrfM

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u2YSu0ugts

3. This one is special considering this was done in high sec: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-_61zfTE8

If you feel that you don't know enough about Battleships, you can ask me, because i know everything about them.


Does this include Marauders?
Valkin Mordirc
#29 - 2015-07-29 11:15:48 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:




aa not really true.

Several AB frigates can easily tackle those battleships, and if they can kill the drones (easy on all but the geddon and domi) they can simply hold it almost forever. The easiest ones on your list are the bharghest and raven. They have NOTHING against a well fit and used frigate.

The problem with battleship arises from them losing 50% of their mobility not long ago, but not gaining anything in return. THere is very very few reasons to bring a battleships instead of a T3 cruiser.

Small adjustments would be enough. For example, slighly larger scan resolution, slighly alrger lock range so they coudl use MJD offensively.. etc...



The Barghest can fit two webs/ TP's, plus Neut and RHML with a velocity bonus what do mean it can't kill a frigate?
#DeleteTheWeak
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#30 - 2015-07-29 11:25:40 UTC
Even a Ab Frigate can easily be capped out by 1 heavy nuet. So yes even if the battleship can not kill the friagate it can safely disengage.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2015-07-29 11:29:28 UTC
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
Even a Ab Frigate can easily be capped out by 1 heavy nuet. So yes even if the battleship can not kill the friagate it can safely disengage.


Cap Booster for the win... Also who uses AF's anymore lol T3 destroyers all day... What?

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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-07-29 11:36:09 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
The Barghest can fit two webs/ TP's, plus Neut and RHML with a velocity bonus what do mean it can't kill a frigate?


not sure the heavies will do much damage to a frig. the neut should stop him long enough to get out if ur already aligned and spamming warp tho.

anyway you'd only run if he has friends coming which is usually the case yes but arent we talking about a single frig taking on a single bs?

i dont think given two properly fit ships that its likely that the frig will win.
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#33 - 2015-07-29 11:37:03 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
Even a Ab Frigate can easily be capped out by 1 heavy nuet. So yes even if the battleship can not kill the friagate it can safely disengage.


Cap Booster for the win... Also who uses AF's anymore lol T3 destroyers all day... What?


Someone pointed out AB fit frigates. Also yes cap boosters are fine and dandy but they have to reload as well. If your pointing prop modding and tanking your going to get capped out at some point.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-07-29 11:39:30 UTC
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
Even a Ab Frigate can easily be capped out by 1 heavy nuet. So yes even if the battleship can not kill the friagate it can safely disengage.


Cap Booster for the win... Also who uses AF's anymore lol T3 destroyers all day... What?


Someone pointed out AB fit frigates. Also yes cap boosters are fine and dandy but they have to reload as well. If your pointing prop modding and tanking your going to get capped out at some point.


not to mention dealing with the drones (whilst webbed and neuted as mentioned)
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-07-29 11:40:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
Even a Ab Frigate can easily be capped out by 1 heavy nuet. So yes even if the battleship can not kill the friagate it can safely disengage.


Cap Booster for the win... Also who uses AF's anymore lol T3 destroyers all day... What?


Someone pointed out AB fit frigates. Also yes cap boosters are fine and dandy but they have to reload as well. If your pointing prop modding and tanking your going to get capped out at some point.


Same goes for the BS... (running the neut etc)

I know we're talking solo here, but 90% of the time if a BS is tied down for more than a few mins... its in trouble.

Bastion Arzi wrote:

not to mention dealing with the drones (whilst webbed and neuted as mentioned)


AF's will have issues i dont disagree, but there are plenty of frigs, and T3 destroyers that could handle it.

(AF's need some major love)

No Worries
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-07-29 12:12:42 UTC
somebody test this with me. i wont believe it till i see it.

frig vs bs come on

ill pay for ur frig
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-07-29 12:16:23 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
somebody test this with me. i wont believe it till i see it.

frig vs bs come on

ill pay for ur frig


i tested it against a raven in my vengeance, the raven couldnt kill me but i also couldnt break the raven, i held it pointed for a long time

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Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-07-29 12:24:58 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Bastion Arzi wrote:
somebody test this with me. i wont believe it till i see it.

frig vs bs come on

ill pay for ur frig


i tested it against a raven in my vengeance, the raven couldnt kill me but i also couldnt break the raven, i held it pointed for a long time


How was the Raven fit? What missiles was he firing? Did you kill all of his drones? Was he managing his drones well if you were killing them?

Lots to factor in.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-07-29 12:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Switch Savage wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Bastion Arzi wrote:
somebody test this with me. i wont believe it till i see it.

frig vs bs come on

ill pay for ur frig


i tested it against a raven in my vengeance, the raven couldnt kill me but i also couldnt break the raven, i held it pointed for a long time


How was the Raven fit? What missiles was he firing? Did you kill all of his drones? Was he managing his drones well if you were killing them?

Lots to factor in.


Exactly... Fit a BS to fight frigs... Fit a Frig to fight BS's... Random encounter?...


So many factors... too many factors!

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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2015-07-29 12:34:14 UTC
yeah i was thinking application mega. lel